importance of being private

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

That is just horrible to hear.

I understand the motive to beat a man to death, but never his innocent dog =;

For example, I just got off the phone with an old timer. I sold him a Champion and he bought another Champion from one of my customers.
So, because I am not breeding anymore, he asked me about Evo's dogs.
Even though EVO proved to be an ungrateful POS, who violated every rule of my board, flagrantly disregarding the rules ... and despite multiple private (and, initially, respectful warnings) ... to the point I had to ban Evo ... because, essentially, he did nothing here but attempt to self-promote ... I still did not badmouth Evo's dogs.
I told this old-timer that I thought Evo was a self-loving, self-interested prick ... but that his dogs were some of the highest-percentage, nicest-looking animals I have ever seen.

Another example: there was this dude I fucking couldn't stand (Butch Thornton), who used to talk shit to me all the time.
We had mutual ass-kicking threats back-and-forth, death threats back-and-forth, etc.
But when one of Butch Thornton's dogs got sick (a valuable brood bitch) ... he knew who to call ... ME ... and all of the bickering bullshit was forgotten.
At the end of the day ... we were DOG MEN ... he had the humility to come to me for help ... and I had the sincere dedication to these dogs to overnight the required drugs to him, no charge (not even postage).

Our troubles (and ego-clashes) were buried on the spot ... that was the end of it.

My point is, there is simply NO WAY I would ever harm someone's dog, no matter how much I couldn't stand them, that is just the mark of a coward and a 100% PIECE OF SHIT.

I am sorry this happened to you ... and your dog :angry:





With all that said, you have to have some evil in you to be in the game, lol :twisted:

I try my best to be honest, but I will fuck over a person, the moment they try to hurt (or take advantage over) me ... but I would never hurt someone who was honest with me.

And, by the same token, I would NEVER fuck over any dog ... nor fail to give any truly good dog the credit it deserved ... no matter how much I hated its owner.





True dat 8)





Words of wisdom ... and cheers back :cheers:

Jack

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I have had some of the same battles with so called friends and dogmen, and like you, I would never turn my back on their dogs if they needed me.

One guy we've known nearly 20 years is a pathological liar, and a dog collector but never has a set up for them. At one time we had 9 of his dogs for 9 months. Another time 6, then 4 then a couple here and there. I always had to pinch him for dog food money, think he came out to clean up? Ha! The well has run dry for him, but if one of his dogs needed help in the middle of the night he could call, but probably wouldn't.

I gained even more respect for you after this post Jack!

S_B

Jr Bush didn't steal Eli. That's not common knowledge. That's simply a load of horseshit.

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Originally Posted by FrostyPaws

Jr Bush didn't steal Eli. That's not common knowledge. That's simply a load of horseshit.

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R.I.F. (Reading Is Fundamental) ;)

I didn't say Junior Bush stole Eli, I said he had Eli stolen from him.

Have at least one cup of coffee before posting :coffee:

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Originally Posted by S_B

I have had some of the same battles with so called friends and dogmen, and like you, I would never turn my back on their dogs if they needed me.

One guy we've known nearly 20 years is a pathological liar, and a dog collector but never has a set up for them. At one time we had 9 of his dogs for 9 months. Another time 6, then 4 then a couple here and there. I always had to pinch him for dog food money, think he came out to clean up? Ha! The well has run dry for him, but if one of his dogs needed help in the middle of the night he could call, but probably wouldn't.

I gained even more respect for you after this post Jack!

S_B

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Thanks.

People will always be cool when they need you (pump you for information, resources, a place to put their dogs, etc.).

Many will lean on you ... even come to depend on you ... over and over and over again ... but if "you" have the audacity to "say something" to them (i.e., give them a reality check) ... they will invariably turn on a dime, and tell the world what a "jerk" you are :-O :rolleyes:

Jack

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

R.I.F. (Reading Is Fundamental) ;)

I didn't say Junior Bush stole Eli, I said he had Eli stolen from him.

Have at least one cup of coffee before posting :coffee:

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This is very true and something that is still talked about. That's why a whole event of searching around time looking for the thief is still laughable by many because they knew what it was. Whether it's true or not I can't say because I wasn't there or part of it but to many it's considered true. They said charge it to the game because many lies told, dogs stolen or money never received.

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

Thanks.

People will always be cool when they need you (pump you for information, resources, a place to put their dogs, etc.).

Many will lean on you ... even come to depend on you ... over and over and over again ... but if "you" have the audacity to "say something" to them (i.e., give them a reality check) ... they will invariably turn on a dime, and tell the world what a "jerk" you are :-O :rolleyes:

Jack

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I know this all to well Jack. Fuck em! :bootintheass: :lol:

S_B

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Originally Posted by Rolltidepride

Down here in Alabama its common knowledge Eli waa stolen by bush him self
Few older guy's bred to the dog himself while he was brought to Alabama for hiding

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Originally Posted by FrostyPaws

Jr Bush didn't steal Eli. That's not common knowledge. That's simply a load of horseshit.

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

R.I.F. (Reading Is Fundamental) ;)

I didn't say Junior Bush stole Eli, I said he had Eli stolen from him.

Have at least one cup of coffee before posting :coffee:

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RIF

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

For example, I just got off the phone with an old timer. I sold him a Champion and he bought another Champion from one of my customers.
So, because I am not breeding anymore, he asked me about Evo's dogs.
Even though EVO proved to be an ungrateful POS, who violated every rule of my board, flagrantly disregarding the rules ... and despite multiple private (and, initially, respectful warnings) ... to the point I had to ban Evo ... because, essentially, he did nothing here but attempt to self-promote ... I still did not badmouth Evo's dogs.
I told this old-timer that I thought Evo was a self-loving, self-interested prick ... but that his dogs were some of the highest-percentage, nicest-looking animals I have ever seen.


Jack

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Dear Jack,

I dont think that you know me well enough to call me a POS. What you think of me is not important to me, but because you put it on a public forum, allow me to retort:

What was I ungrateful for? Was I ungrateful by recommending people to this forum? Was I ungrateful for paying you to be a member BEFORE the pedigree database was up? Look , I dont know you well enough to call you a piece of shit either, and its actually beneath me to retort with an equal measure of insults, so I wont. The reality is that what we had was different goals. I dont need your database, I have my own. That being said, If I want to promote my website or dogs , which is not in direct competition with what once was your site, then my yearly payment should cover that. If somebody asked a question about where Boomerang dogs were, and I already had a link made on my website , it doesnt make any sense for me to have to spend a few hours of my day to put all those dogs in what was YOUR database just to respond to some other members question. Furthermore, at the rate you were banning people , there was zero incentive for anyone to go through the trouble of putting all their peds in if it meant you could kick them out at will for mistakes. Not everyone is as tech savy as we are. Your idea was brilliant, but the excecution was poor. Its gotta be win win. Members should benefit from this site as much as the site owner benefits from their yearly payment. I appreciate the comment on my dogs. I have a mutual resect for your program. That being said, I've never talked bad about your dogs either , as our recent win proves they are still relevant. Now to the subject of this thread:

Just because someone else is a douchebag, doesnt make it ok for YOU to be one. I do "DO RIGHT" by the dogs. To me, it's :
1. Giving the utmost care to the animals
2. Keep them performing
3. Show up on time on weight, if they are over, take the FF and go home, next time they'll be on weight.
4. Be a good sport , shake hands win or lose
5. Doing all you can to give your dog the best opportunity to win , show up a few days early, do bloodwork, dont overtrain etc
6. Respect the animals , they arent machines
7. Be a responsible owner with meds available for any emergencies

You dont have to be a murderer , pedofile, rapist, thief, drug dealer to do well and compete with these dogs, YOU CAN SET YOUR OWN STANDARD FOR EXCELLENCE. Old man Morfin in Mexico had two sayings that to me ring very true:

1. "The bane of excellence is the Ego"
2. "The worst thing someone can be is ungrateful."

The dog world is filled with egomaniacs and ungrateful sons of bitches, but it doesnt mean you have to be one as well.

Evo

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Originally Posted by evolutionkennels

Dear Jack,

I dont think that you know me well enough to call me a POS. What you think of me is not important to me, but because you put it on a public forum, allow me to retort:

What was I ungrateful for? Was I ungrateful by recommending people to this forum? Was I ungrateful for paying you to be a member BEFORE the pedigree database was up? Look , I dont know you well enough to call you a piece of shit either, and its actually beneath me to retort with an equal measure of insults, so I wont. The reality is that what we had was different goals. I dont need your database, I have my own. That being said, If I want to promote my website or dogs , which is not in direct competition with what once was your site, then my yearly payment should cover that. If somebody asked a question about where Boomerang dogs were, and I already had a link made on my website , it doesnt make any sense for me to have to spend a few hours of my day to put all those dogs in what was YOUR database just to respond to some other members question. Furthermore, at the rate you were banning people , there was zero incentive for anyone to go through the trouble of putting all their peds in if it meant you could kick them out at will for mistakes. Not everyone is as tech savy as we are. Your idea was brilliant, but the excecution was poor. Its gotta be win win. Members should benefit from this site as much as the site owner benefits from their yearly payment. I appreciate the comment on my dogs. I have a mutual resect for your program. That being said, I've never talked bad about your dogs either , as our recent win proves they are still relevant. Now to the subject of this thread:

Just because someone else is a douchebag, doesnt make it ok for YOU to be one. I do "DO RIGHT" by the dogs. To me, it's :
1. Giving the utmost care to the animals
2. Keep them performing
3. Show up on time on weight, if they are over, take the FF and go home, next time they'll be on weight.
4. Be a good sport , shake hands win or lose
5. Doing all you can to give your dog the best opportunity to win , show up a few days early, do bloodwork, dont overtrain etc
6. Respect the animals , they arent machines
7. Be a responsible owner with meds available for any emergencies

You dont have to be a murderer , pedofile, rapist, thief, drug dealer to do well and compete with these dogs, YOU CAN SET YOUR OWN STANDARD FOR EXCELLENCE. Old man Morfin in Mexico had two sayings that to me ring very true:

1. "The bane of excellence is the Ego"
2. "The worst thing someone can be is ungrateful."

The dog world is filled with egomaniacs and ungrateful sons of bitches, but it doesnt mean you have to be one as well.

Evo

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The truth is, I think we agree on more than we disagree.

Egos are egos, and sometimes they clash.

Just because you promoted my site as "better than anything else," doesn't mean I owe you anything ... it was, quite simply, THE TRUTH.

NO ONE has made a better all-around bulldog site than I have.

The difference is, I didn't come to YOUR website asking to be moderator; the fact is you came to MY website asking for this position.

I also didn't hack into YOUR copy of the original Hollingsworth dogs video, snatching still photos from it to post on my site; the fact is you snatched photos from MY original Hollingsworth video to place on your site.

You were the one who was placed as a Moderator, and then, instead of posting pedigrees here and linking dogs back to this site, you shamelessly did nothing but link back to YOUR (pitiful by comparison) site, and pretty much only used this site as a platform to promote your dogs.

This is why I call you "ungrateful" and "self-serving" ... because, quite simply, you are.

This doesn't mean you don't have good dogs (you do);
This doesn't mean you don't have good taste in dogs (you do);
It only means that you came here, and then pretty much did nothing but self-promote, adding nothing to this database, but using it as a platform to sell dogs and stud services.

That is perfectly fine, if you limit these links to placement in the Classified section.

But if you're going to post in the general section, then at least participate by adding these results to the community database, rather than by doing nothing but promote your own site.

MOST high-end forums only allow sales in the Classified section; you just need to do an ego check, realize that the rules apply to you too, and learn to follow them.

Jack

For the sake of the other board members, I'll leave it at the "we agree more than disagree statement."