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Originally Posted by CA Jack

LOL, that must have been the reason :lol:

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of course... predominantly vise grip... But a bit of rbj in my opinion.. doesn't hurt. . you just can't say.. Not a drop.. lol. . It's got a good tablespoon on a glass of it in there. lol. regardless.. I may be sending TQ. to breed to El Nazi next heat

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Originally Posted by evolutionkennels

of course... predominantly vise grip... But a bit of rbj in my opinion.. doesn't hurt. . you just can't say.. Not a drop.. lol. . It's got a good tablespoon on a glass of it in there. lol. regardless.. I may be sending TQ. to breed to El Nazi next heat

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I know why you put that there :)

Remember, my debate with the dearly-departed Sonny was over badDEST (killingest/multi-winningest), never whether the RBJ dogs were consistently-good :)

Now then, I was actually considering starting another thread about MOST CONSISTENT ... and that is a whole other deal :mrgreen:

Jack

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

I know why you put that there :)

Remember, my debate with the dearly-departed Sonny was over badDEST (killingest/multi-winningest), never whether the RBJ dogs were consistently-good :)

Now then, I was actually considering starting another thread about MOST CONSISTENT ... and that is a whole other deal :mrgreen:

Jack

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please don't. lol. Nazi wasn't a killer if killers. but he beat one with no muzzle!!

LOL

Exactly ... and, in my heart, I have always preferred the dog that will come from behind to stop a killer than the killer itself.

Of course it's nice to have both, but somewhere in the heart of every true dogman (not nec. dogfighter) is a special spot for the animal that just WON'T QUIT to a killing ... and who stops the killer in the end :hatsoff:

As a side note, and back on topic, the original poster asked the question whether my dogs would cross well with Killer Combine's dogs.

Not only did it work out well with the Energizer dog mentioned, but has anyone really studied the pedigree of Hollingsworth's Dolly?

Dolly's sire, Yazoo Cody, is basically Lady In Red's sister Reba bred to an Indian Sonny dog (like what's behind Vengeance / Midnight) in Gr Ch Rowdy bred to Tonka's sister Boni Maroni.

Take a look at the top 1/8^th of her pedigree, Hook's Gr Ch Rowdy, and compare that to Killer Combine's Gr Ch Vengeance ... it's basically the same blood that's way behind Midnight/Vengeance :-?

Jack

Looked up Nazi and some photos. I absolutely hate it when that happens to a dog.
There is a dog right here in Texas that won the same way. Not 2 hours, but over the 90 min mark. Looks exactly like that dog now. It's a shame. The dog he went into was a devastating face dog of Red Rock breeding, but the other dog was just that game. Unbelievable really.

There are some phenomenal animals out there no one knows about.

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

LOL

Exactly ... and, in my heart, I have always preferred the dog that will come from behind to stop a killer than the killer itself.

Of course it's nice to have both, but somewhere in the heart of every true dogman (not nec. dogfighter) is a special spot for the animal that just WON'T QUIT to a killing ... and who stops the killer in the end :hatsoff:

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I agree 1000% People that have matched dogs 20 years, said that Nazi was so game and took such punishmen, tthat it made them doubt what the hell they were doing and whether it was right or wrong, this person is a psychopath, for him to stop and think... must've been a beating. and he won!!

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Originally Posted by No Quarter Kennel

Looked up Nazi and some photos. I absolutely hate it when that happens to a dog.
There is a dog right here in Texas that won the same way. Not 2 hours, but over the 90 min mark. Looks exactly like that dog now. It's a shame. The dog he went into was a devastating face dog of Red Rock breeding, but the other dog was just that game. Unbelievable really.
There are some phenomenal animals out there no one knows about.

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I agree, the title, "Gamest Dog of X," is entirely subjective.

There are hundreds of incredible displays of gameness on the part of these dogs ... from rolls out in the backwoods where dogs are rolled to death for the hell of it ... to little podunk matches, where two first-timers go to the bitter end (with only 4 people watching) ... to major events, where two big-name dogs meet. etc.

If a dog dies DG how does it get gamer than that? I guess this is where you have to start splitting hairs.

If a dog dies DG because "he ran out of blood" ... that might not be the same level of gameness as it would take to get your face eat off (as the dogs we're talking about did).

There is no way to really tell which of these dogs is "gamer" ... as each dog faced a similar style, each dog eventually prevailed and won, and each dog suffered the same fate.

The only real difference is one went 90+ min on a (presumably) smaller card, while the other went 2:10 on a huge international convention.

Neither dog will never be able to go again; both dogs deserve to have the balls bred off them forever.

Jack

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Originally Posted by evolutionkennels

I agree 1000% People that have matched dogs 20 years, said that Nazi was so game and took such punishmen, tthat it made them doubt what the hell they were doing and whether it was right or wrong, this person is a psychopath, for him to stop and think... must've been a beating. and he won!!

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I know who you're talking about (you know him quite well) ... and he said that to me too ... that it made him question his involvement in these animals ... when he is usually known as being pretty freakin hardcore.

Jack

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

I agree, the title, "Gamest Dog of X," is entirely subjective.

There are hundreds of incredible displays of gameness on the part of these dogs ... from rolls out in the backwoods where dogs are rolled to death for the hell of it ... to little podunk matches, where two first-timers go to the bitter end (with only 4 people watching) ... to major events, where two big-name dogs meet. etc.

If a dog dies DG how does it get gamer than that? I guess this is where you have to start splitting hairs.

If a dog dies DG because "he ran out of blood" ... that might not be the same level of gameness as it would take to get your face eat off (as the dogs we're talking about did).

There is no way to really tell which of these dogs is "gamer" ... as each dog faced a similar style, each dog eventually prevailed and won, and each dog suffered the same fate.

The only real difference is one went 90+ min on a (presumably) smaller card, while the other went 2:10 on a huge international convention.

Neither dog will never be able to go again; both dogs deserve to have the balls bred off them forever.

Jack

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You are correct in your entire reply and I agree, 100% with your reply.

For these dogs to prove this type of gameness is, yes, incredible. But to shift gears, when is enough enough and you should pick that dog up. Personally, call me a softy, but I just can't let my dog get to that point. I really don't think I can. This is a dog that, if he does survive, will remain in hiding for the remainder of his life, which is fine for him, but a hassle for any legal living citizen. Can't share it with anyone really without risk. If you do pick him up, you never knew he was THIS game, but you have a dog with little to fewer handicaps. If you leave him down and he survives this, you KNOW what kind of game he is, but you have a dog with half a head and health issues to manage.

Just rambling and I'm not a psychopath, so no doubt, this type of thing with these dogs makes me question anything done with them in this regard. Then you have the other side of the coin. THESE DOGS WOULD NOT EXIST if this had never been experimented with/trained/schooled/bred for, etc.

AH, the double edged sword cuts both ways so deep.