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After the show, don't give him any thing that is high protein. Cooked rice should be his only solid with plenty of water. If he doesn't like it plain, add chicken broth to the rice. I feed them just rice and water for 3 days straight. If they look better after 3 days then I'll slowly add chicken without the bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2L
Jack, I only add the 1oz per pound when they're being conditioned. If they're just on the chain being dogs, they're allowed to drink whatever water they want freely. Yes, it is additional water. I can't say how much water a rested dog needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
All I can give you is my input on how I've done this for some years now. What I've read is how much actual water is expended by working sled dogs. They take into account the amount of water lost when working, through excrement, and just through breathing. In a study done by Arleigh Reynolds, whose stuff I've posted here before, a working sled dog needs 2oz of water per lb of body weight. A sedentary house dog loses around 1200mL of water a day. A sprinting dog, such as a sled dog or a greyhound will lose almost 3000mL of water a day from an hour run and everything else. A long distance dog, such as a working sled dog, can lose over 5000mL a day. Those figures can and will fluctuate given the temperature and the intensity the dog works. If it's a cold day, he suggests water intake will increase by 2 for a sprinting dog and by 4 for a long distance endurance dog. Depending on the dog’s exercise intensity, and the environmental temperature and humidity, evaporative water losses may increase 10- to 20-fold during exercise. I will post what he has to say in a separate thread if you'd like so you can read all he has to say.
Water helps speed up the digestion process. It's not that the food is going through so fast that it's not absorbed properly. It is simply helping the body perform that task at a faster and more efficient rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2L
Yes, I'm adding 46oz of water to the dog's feed. Not long ago, I conditioned a 45lb dog, and he was getting 45 ounces of water, in his feed, everyday. After eating, he would be all filled with water, sure enough. He was also a very hard working dog who needed all the extra fluid given. When I would go out the next day to work the dog, he would usually weigh 46-47lbs. So, combined with the water and the feed and after him emptying out, he was only a lb or two above his show weight. While it may seem a little strange and sound odd, if I was only allowing the dog to drink what he wanted, he would never drink that amount of fluid in one sitting. He wouldn't drink that much fluid in one day, and given the work he was doing, he needed all of it for his body to function at a high level which is exactly what you need when it comes to showing dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2L
That all makes sense, and yes I would be interested in the reading, thanks.
However, I am also wondering if all that extra water doesn't dilute the stomach acid and interfere with digestion?
Good posts Frosty.
I wonder how its possible that the one dog i have in the house only eats 400 gram of raw food a day, which is 240 ML of water and dont drink anything from his bowl for weeks. This is a 45 lb dog, i don't which type of dog they used for the research but i figure its not a 250 lbs dog.Quote:
A sedentary house dog loses around 1200mL of water a day.
No questioning your experience but have you ever tried to give like 30oz of water for such a dog in training and check his skin count?Quote:
Yes, I'm adding 46oz of water to the dog's feed. Not long ago, I conditioned a 45lb dog, and he was getting 45 ounces of water, in his feed, everyday. After eating, he would be all filled with water, sure enough. He was also a very hard working dog who needed all the extra fluid given. When I would go out the next day to work the dog, he would usually weigh 46-47lbs. So, combined with the water and the feed and after him emptying out, he was only a lb or two above his show weight.
Sure R2L. I used to do that. I used to just let them drink the water they wanted from the bowl also. What I had was a dog that was hydrated, but I didn't think it was hydrated enough for the work. The dog being worked now is getting 38oz, and there are days where that's not enough water for him. So, a friend of mine introduced me to the 1oz per lb method some years ago, and since then, I've never thought about doing it any other way as most dogs are adequately hydrated with that method.
I have a friend who gives 20-30oz of water in his feed during keep. I don't know his dogs looks as he lives thousands of miles from me, but I know he wants to try it the way I do it also, and I'm about sure he's going to the next dog he works.
In their study, I'm sure they're using an example of a dog that eats kibble. My house dog eats kibble, and she doesn't drink a ton of water every day. Sedentary dog could be outside also. It's not an across the board number as each situation will be different.
Like I said before on the "Heat is on topic" if you add WATER to your feed whether it be raw or kibble it WILL hydrate your dog, that simple.
Jack, if I'm not mistaken, the extra water is absorbed in the intestines not the stomach. The stomach breaks down the food, and the ingestion of all vital parts of food happens in the intestines.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
R2L, the secret to a successful keep is H20;)
Since my dogs don't like to drink too much water, what I'll do is 12 hours before their workouts I'll put a small amount of rice in their bowl and fill it up with water. They could see the rice but can't get to it so they'll drink most of the water then I'll take it away when they're almost to the bottom. Gets them every time:lol:
How much o.g a like a couple spoons full? And sorry for sounding like a retard but I'm assuming already cooked rice?Quote:
Originally Posted by OGDOGG