Coat Colors

Is it possible to get black puppies out of a "dirty buckskin" male bred to a "red/rednose" female? I understand that one of the parents has to be black or "chocolate" rednose (genetically speaking, chocolate is a dilution of black) in order for this color to appear but I'm not sure if the "black ticking" in the "dirty buckskin" coat could carry the "black" gene.

The "dirty buckskin" is probably a version of black ... or the "red/rednose" is in fact a chocolate/rednose ... or a combination of both.

Jack

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

The "dirty buckskin" is probably a version of black ... or the "red/rednose" is in fact a chocolate/rednose ... or a combination of both.

Jack

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Agreed

Ok, thanks for the input Jack.

I get real tickled at guys saying . This color can't produce this color and so forth. I had some Dibo bred dogs that were black for four generations. I bred one of them to their father. All of them came black except one of the pups was red with a red nose. I've had lots of people say that is impossible. My dogs were inside a 6 foot boundary fence with six foot pens. Nothing else could have gotten to her. Maybe it isn't suppose to happen but things like genetics has a way of fooling you. The Late Mike Kelley had a neighbor that had a six foot foundary fence. He let Mike attach a pen to it using the six foot Chainlink as the back side of the pen. He had a concrete Floor and a wire top. The neighbor had a german Shephard dog. Somehow he bred Mikes Pitbull Bitch through that wire. She had several pups but one pup looked almost like a pure German Shepherd color, height, haircoat length and all. He swore to me she never got out and it had to be him doing her through the wire was the only way. Can you imagine what has bred many a good pitbull with no Boundary fence. With dogs on chains. Don't you think for a minute a dog wont weave his way to a nice smelling bitch. Just a thought. Randy Fox

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Originally Posted by Foxman

I get real tickled at guys saying . This color can't produce this color and so forth. I had some Dibo bred dogs that were black for four generations. I bred one of them to their father. All of them came black except one of the pups was red with a red nose. I've had lots of people say that is impossible. My dogs were inside a 6 foot boundary fence with six foot pens. Nothing else could have gotten to her. Maybe it isn't suppose to happen but things like genetics has a way of fooling you. The Late Mike Kelley had a neighbor that had a six foot foundary fence. He let Mike attach a pen to it using the six foot Chainlink as the back side of the pen. He had a concrete Floor and a wire top. The neighbor had a german Shephard dog. Somehow he bred Mikes Pitbull Bitch through that wire. She had several pups but one pup looked almost like a pure German Shepherd color, height, haircoat length and all. He swore to me she never got out and it had to be him doing her through the wire was the only way. Can you imagine what has bred many a good pitbull with no Boundary fence. With dogs on chains. Don't you think for a minute a dog wont weave his way to a nice smelling bitch. Just a thought. Randy Fox

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Mr Fox, when I was younger, one of the guys who bred pit bulls had an Airedale get to one of his bitches. He couldn't figure out how because she was let out in a fenced yard surrounded by many other bulldogs. People were telling him that his brood bitch had to have had some type of long haired dog in her because one of the pups came out with long hair. Well a year later, he bred the same two dogs together and got no long haired dogs (because the Airedale had gotten hit by a car!!!). People need to understand the difference between accidental breeding and recessive genes. JMHO

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Originally Posted by Foxman

I get real tickled at guys saying . This color can't produce this color and so forth. I had some Dibo bred dogs that were black for four generations. I bred one of them to their father. All of them came black except one of the pups was red with a red nose. I've had lots of people say that is impossible. My dogs were inside a 6 foot boundary fence with six foot pens. Nothing else could have gotten to her. Maybe it isn't suppose to happen but things like genetics has a way of fooling you.

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That is not impossible, and anyone who says so simply doesn't understand genetics.

If A = dominant blacknose gene, and
If a = recessive rednose gene, and
If AA = a pure, dominant blacknose dog, and
If Aa = a blacknose dog that carries a recessive rednose gene ..

Then if two Aa blacknoses/recessives breed, they will produce any of 4 possible combinations:

An AA pure, dominant blacknose
Another Aa blacknose, recessive red
Another aA blacknose, recessive red
Or an aa pure, recessive rednose ...

Why? Because each Aa blacknose can either throw an A or an a into the mix.

However, if two as obtain, and a recessive aa rednose is born, then the dominant A has been lost.
This is why two aa rednoses canNOT produce any "A" at all (aA or Aa) ... because there is no "A" left in an aa rednose.

Pretty simple stuff, really.

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Originally Posted by Foxman

The Late Mike Kelley had a neighbor that had a six foot foundary fence. He let Mike attach a pen to it using the six foot Chainlink as the back side of the pen. He had a concrete Floor and a wire top. The neighbor had a german Shephard dog. Somehow he bred Mikes Pitbull Bitch through that wire. She had several pups but one pup looked almost like a pure German Shepherd color, height, haircoat length and all. He swore to me she never got out and it had to be him doing her through the wire was the only way. Can you imagine what has bred many a good pitbull with no Boundary fence. With dogs on chains. Don't you think for a minute a dog wont weave his way to a nice smelling bitch. Just a thought. Randy Fox

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All of that is entirely true also :lol:

Jack

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