**Just started this breeding today**

Very excited about this one, I haven't done a breeding in 3 years. I got Zula today on the yard and boy oh boy is she sharp as a tack and one very well behaved dog. I'm going to enjoy having her here for a week or 2. Great personality and temperament on this girl. She fought it the whole time but Geach is a straight up stud for this being his first breeding. He was in that shit like a schooled out porn star :lol:

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http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...reeding_id=424

Just showing what we got going on over here currently. If she does take None will be for sale, Please don't PM me asking. This is why I put the thread in Canine Reproduction and not the classifides. Thanks for checking it out and all comments are welcomed.. ;)

What do the Garner dogs bring to the table? Given that the Garner dogs are predominantly eli-bolio, and the boyles dogs are the same, would you even consider it a cross? What are the differences inthe two strains? Similarities?

My experience with them.. good chinaman dogs are usually intelligent,fast, strong, hard biters, shake alot, hit vitals and try to stay on top and finish when the opportunity presents itself, BUT... You will go through quite a bit to get that type of animal if you get them direct from Tom unless you're in his circle and get access to his secret stash, if not I would go to a kennel who has working chinaman/frisco and chinaman/frisco crosses...

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Originally Posted by evolutionkennels

What do the Garner dogs bring to the table? Given that the Garner dogs are predominantly eli-bolio, and the boyles dogs are the same, would you even consider it a cross? What are the differences inthe two strains? Similarities?

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I would consider it a cross because their 2 seperate strains of eli/bolio. I dont know alot about garner dogs other than what i read and the few ive seen. Never really had much interest in them personally. This isnt an in-house breeding, the owner of the female is just using my stud. Im only keeping one male from it, the rest are my buddies that he's keeping. This is more of a favor to someone else simply because I like the guy and we share similar views when it comes to these dogs. I'm perfectly happy with my own dogs and dont feel they lack anything but, I liked how she was bred enough to want to keep one myself. The similarities between these 2 dogs are, their both Bulldogs.

Hard driving front end wreckers. One of them will go to the back door though if given the opportunity too. ;)
Both have above average mouths, and no question their crossing. The differences, well, I dont know to be honest. They line up pretty well when you take the papers out the picture. I keep my own thing going but i also like to venture outside the box every once in a while too.
Time will tell and im patient enough to wait and see ;)

The dog keyed on 148 times in the 12 generation is Bully Son.

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Originally Posted by CYJ

The dog keyed on 148 times in the 12 generation is Bully Son.

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Your correct but I don't chase dead dogs and that's the first time I've seen that statistic lol.... I still see it as a cross since Geach is a predominatly Eli x bolio dog being bred to a Eli x Carver bitch. Thats being pretty generalizing since their are outs in both dogs. I never understood how all that stacking of dead dogs works since the pups, even being 148x bullyson, will have other genes in the poole since bullyson has been dead for decades..
Honestly, I don't go beyond 4 generations in a pedigree other than looking up history for nostalgia. I focus more on the first 4 generations myself.. ;)

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Got another sticking in today. The Longer Zula is here the more I like that dog. She listens great for her not being my dog and has a vibrant personality and it's always a pleasure to have an extra dog or 2 here when their owners spend more time with them than just feed time. The time you put into an individual really does show and IMO makes a world of difference to work with.
While putting her in her kennel today I had to walk her past the sister of the dog she is being bred to and Zula went ballistic. First time I've seen her fire up since she's been here as she has been kept out of sight from any of mine until today. She is much more manageable since she is so much smaller than any of then are or any I have ever owned. While she is strong for her size, It was much easier to control her compared to the 45+ pounders I got here are. Made me hope for a male that tops out at around 30 - 32 lbs. out of this breeding, a nice lil pocket rocket, lol it's doubtful though, I'm expecting 40-48lb dogs out this breeding which is the norm for my dogs and Zula, while small herself, her first litter are all 40+ at a little over a year old.