Possessive behavior

[Ton]

Is there anyway I can correct aggressive behavior from my 11th month old game bread pitbull. The dog has started to show possessive behavior and the aggression whenever he's around a fresh killed animal or fish. The other day he was around a dead blue fish on the shore and wouldn't let me come near him, to the point where he almost charged me. I had to distract him and get his leash and was able to get him away from the fish. Outside of these circumstances is the most loving and adoring dog that I have ever owned.

Any suggestions on how I can deal with this behavior, he is an otherwise very friendly and loving dog when he is around people and never shows aggression.

[Nut]

Yes, I'd keep him on the leash and away from dead animals.

[SZ82]

Damn. They found us here too.

[ragedog10]

Yes, I'd keep him on the leash and away from dead animals.


Going to repeat it for u!!

[SZ82]

Unless you're feeding it to him, then just leave him alone, and let him eat.

[Officially Retired]

Is there anyway I can correct aggressive behavior from my 11th month old game bread pitbull. The dog has started to show possessive behavior and the aggression whenever he's around a fresh killed animal or fish. The other day he was around a dead blue fish on the shore and wouldn't let me come near him, to the point where he almost charged me. I had to distract him and get his leash and was able to get him away from the fish. Outside of these circumstances is the most loving and adoring dog that I have ever owned.

Any suggestions on how I can deal with this behavior, he is an otherwise very friendly and loving dog when he is around people and never shows aggression.


First of all, you should never have your dog off a leash like that. (That right there is the cause of virtually every ownership stupidity that has ever happened.)

Second, with control of your animal now, because he's on a leash like he should have been all along, you can decide where you allow him to go and thus keep him away from dead animals.

Jack

[Ton]

Just would like to clarify he is not running wild outside, this is in my backyard. I live on the water and have a private beach
Where my dogs can play and run.
Whenever I take him out he is always on a leash.

[Officially Retired]

Just would like to clarify he is not running wild outside, this is in my backyard. I live on the water and have a private beach
Where my dogs can play and run.
Whenever I take him out he is always on a leash.

Must be nice!

There really is nothing you can do, IMO, short of keeping the dog on a leash.

My dog Stormbringer would freakin kill someone if he had a bone and they got near him. Some dogs are just like that.

Either 1) keep him away from the animals with a leash; 2) kill the dog; or 3) stay away from him when he has a kill, lol

I am not much of a "trainer" ... I let dogs be dogs and don't believe in "correcting" instinctive behavior.

Jack

PS: Wrknapbt may have better ideas.

[bamaman]

Must be nice!

There really is nothing you can do, IMO, short of keeping the dog on a leash.

My dog Stormbringer would freakin kill someone if he had a bone and they got near him. Some dogs are just like that.

Either 1) keep him away from the animals with a leash; 2) kill the dog; or 3) stay away from him when he has a kill, lol

I am not much of a "trainer" ... I let dogs be dogs and don't believe in "correcting" instinctive behavior.

Jack

PS: Wrknapbt may have better ideas.
Amen Jack ! I don't even teach mine to sit.I want to keep them as close to wild as I can .

[Ton]

Thanks everyone for ur comments and advice.
I think in future will let him be and not challenge him!!!

[Officially Retired]

Amen Jack ! I don't even teach mine to sit.I want to keep them as close to wild as I can .

Agreed. My dogs know the word, "No." And the word, "Out." (as in get out)

And they know to be happy and come when I call their name ... and that's it.

Other than that, they just know how to make food (as well as other dogs) disappear :lol:

[CrazyRed]

Going to repeat it for u!!

The moment I read "game bread" and then want's him to not be aggressive or possessive, I gave up.

[Officially Retired]

The moment I read "game bread" and then want's him to not be aggressive or possessive, I gave up.

:rotflmao:

[CrazyRed]

:rotflmao:

Jack I don't get it, my partner said this past weekend that i was rude and ignorant but I actually helped this couple out. They were breeding "gamebred" pups and what not and started with 1, bred her ended up with 7. Well 2 pups bred to each other they got a litter and now they have a house overran with fights and everything else. Nice people but I asked them what were they getting out of owning a dog that considered "gamebred"? They didn't know except that the husband thought he would get paid bc he heard how popular these dogs were. Now they got 16 dogs and going broke trying to feed them. I told them 1 of two things, place them or shoot them. The guy had his dogs ADBA registered and they actually weren't too far removed from some working dogs, found a guy with a small farm who does some Coyote and some varmit hunting with him and his buddies. Well the guy and his friends who all have some good farmland ended up coming down to take 12, I asked another buddy of mine if he wouldn't mind taking the 3 bc he had kennels that were empty he did and now they just have the mom who they said as of yesterday was at Vet getting fixed. They decided not to breed them no more, they looking into Yorkies.. I'm happy for them.

[S_B]

Jack I don't get it, my partner said this past weekend that i was rude and ignorant but I actually helped this couple out. They were breeding "gamebred" pups and what not and started with 1, bred her ended up with 7. Well 2 pups bred to each other they got a litter and now they have a house overran with fights and everything else. Nice people but I asked them what were they getting out of owning a dog that considered "gamebred"? They didn't know except that the husband thought he would get paid bc he heard how popular these dogs were. Now they got 16 dogs and going broke trying to feed them. I told them 1 of two things, place them or shoot them. The guy had his dogs ADBA registered and they actually weren't too far removed from some working dogs, found a guy with a small farm who does some Coyote and some varmit hunting with him and his buddies. Well the guy and his friends who all have some good farmland ended up coming down to take 12, I asked another buddy of mine if he wouldn't mind taking the 3 bc he had kennels that were empty he did and now they just have the mom who they said as of yesterday was at Vet getting fixed. They decided not to breed them no more, they looking into Yorkies.. I'm happy for them.

Right on CrazyRed! :appl:

[SGC]

Jack I don't get it, my partner said this past weekend that i was rude and ignorant but I actually helped this couple out. They were breeding "gamebred" pups and what not and started with 1, bred her ended up with 7. Well 2 pups bred to each other they got a litter and now they have a house overran with fights and everything else. Nice people but I asked them what were they getting out of owning a dog that considered "gamebred"? They didn't know except that the husband thought he would get paid bc he heard how popular these dogs were. Now they got 16 dogs and going broke trying to feed them. I told them 1 of two things, place them or shoot them. The guy had his dogs ADBA registered and they actually weren't too far removed from some working dogs, found a guy with a small farm who does some Coyote and some varmit hunting with him and his buddies. Well the guy and his friends who all have some good farmland ended up coming down to take 12, I asked another buddy of mine if he wouldn't mind taking the 3 bc he had kennels that were empty he did and now they just have the mom who they said as of yesterday was at Vet getting fixed. They decided not to breed them no more, they looking into Yorkies.. I'm happy for them.

Good point, CrazyRed!

Stuff like this is why I try to discourage most folks from owning one of these dogs... Well bred pit bulls are not for everyone. Most people are not responsible enough to own a goldfish let alone a bulldog!

Yes better they get into Yorkies.

(No offense intended towards the original poster, as his dog is young and he can work with him.)

[Officially Retired]

Jack I don't get it, my partner said this past weekend that i was rude and ignorant but I actually helped this couple out. They were breeding "gamebred" pups and what not and started with 1, bred her ended up with 7. Well 2 pups bred to each other they got a litter and now they have a house overran with fights and everything else. Nice people but I asked them what were they getting out of owning a dog that considered "gamebred"? They didn't know except that the husband thought he would get paid bc he heard how popular these dogs were. Now they got 16 dogs and going broke trying to feed them. I told them 1 of two things, place them or shoot them. The guy had his dogs ADBA registered and they actually weren't too far removed from some working dogs, found a guy with a small farm who does some Coyote and some varmit hunting with him and his buddies. Well the guy and his friends who all have some good farmland ended up coming down to take 12, I asked another buddy of mine if he wouldn't mind taking the 3 bc he had kennels that were empty he did and now they just have the mom who they said as of yesterday was at Vet getting fixed. They decided not to breed them no more, they looking into Yorkies.. I'm happy for them.

Nothing like serious, committed breeders with a game plan, eh?

:lol: :rolleyes:

[FrostyPaws]

Is there anyway I can correct aggressive behavior from my 11th month old game bread

The word is BRED.

[Pit Bull Committed]

No dog aggression towards me or any human being period for me. I'd shoot it if it was mine.

I'd rather work with other great dogs without the human aggression.

[bullyson]

How bout putting him in a situation to do what he was BRED to do in a controlled environment of course :mrgreen:

[EWO]

This is one of the more interesting topics for me. It is funny how I once had a steadfast rule on human aggression and as I got older it lightened some, maybe even lightened quite a bit.

A number of years ago it was anything that I thought may evolve/grow into a man-bites/human aggressiveness was given a vitamin that prevented that behavior right there on the spot. I mean 'zero-tolerance' in every sense of the word.

As I got older and more experienced I began to have more latitude with the very few dogs that show some signs. I started to try to figure out the "why's. when's and what for's" and if those were not going to end up with me being bit then it became a 'no harm-no foul' mind set.

I have only put down a couple-three since the early 90's. If those same scenarios popped up today it would only be one. As the others would have been 'avoidable' now but at the time it was that 'zero tolerance'. The one was a Jethro/Mayday bred male. Lots of times I feed in the dark due to work schedule. He was fine, out going, super puppy til he was about 16-17 months. As I came thru his spot he grabbed by pants leg/top of my boot and I took it as playing. I brushed him off, fed him and all was well. The next night he put his mouth on my calf as I cleaned and filled his water bowl, slight pressure just enough to let me know he had an issue with me. Again, I took it as playing as he was a springpole/tug maniac. The third night he met me at the end of the chain for 'no apparent' reason and would not let me in. I mean teeth showing, snapping, etc. etc. I then fed him the vitamin that prevents all human aggressiveness.

To the original poster, yours is a simple fix. If he is worth keeping, keep him on a lead so you are in control. Period. Private beach or no private beach (and I have never seen a private beach that had fences to the water) pit bulls must be restrained 24 hours a day. That may be a chain, a kennel, a fence, a crate, your front door, but there has to always be a barrier between the dog and things he can hurt. Every bad story starts with, "He never did anything like that before", or, I let him run free for a few minutes everyday". People quickly forget these dogs were bred to basically kill shit, other dogs mostly, and there is no magical switch that turns this off and on at the owner's whim. Sometimes these dogs will re-direct their 'skill set' without warning and with the ever most subtle of signs. Barriers prevent the re-direction from being on the evening news.

I would simply keep him away from the things he has possessive issues with, thus a six-foot lead is the cure for that ailment not the vitamin I spoke of. EWO

[Officially Retired]

No dog aggression towards me or any human being period for me. I'd shoot it if it was mine.

I'd rather work with other great dogs without the human aggression.


Other great dogs?

Have you ever owned/fed a truly great dog?

Most truly great, seriously badass dogs are "great" because of their intensity and their refusal to be dominated in any way :idea:

Jack

[bamaman]

I'm sure some of you probably had this happen and its happened to me a couple times.When I was young I had a litter and I was going to pick one up and didn't realize another one of the pups was going after the one I was picking up and at 6 weeks old he did a little numbe on my hand .I sat back and thought about what happened and realized I wasn't the intended target.Well I was able to fange him and he turned me loose.Never another incident , but me being young I could have over reacted to that.Like EWO said u have to understand the circumstances surrounding the incident and then make a decision.A lot of times I found I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Officially Retired]

Yeah, I've been bit "unintentionally" a few times too.

These dogs get GEEKED UP and sometimes go in another world.

Red Sonja (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=180) and Bandana (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=225) were like that. If you flirt-poled them, "the whole world" (that moves) became the flirt-pole.

Bandana took me down with a calf-hold once, shaking the bejesus out of my calf, when I "forgot" how she was, and stepped inside her chain space whilst flirt-poling her. Bandana meant to grab me, she was shaking the bejesus out of my leg, and I was torn between laughter and anger ... because it hurt like hell, but it still was funny looking into her beady little eyes, seeing her intense, happy face, and watching her tail wag furiously because she "got something" and was relishing her "victory" ... while I was laying on my back watching her pummel my leg (fortunately, she was a little dog, and I really wasn't in danger, and was able to get her off me pretty easy).

There was nothing "mean" about what she was doing, she just was "in the zone," GEEKED-UP, and whatever was moving was getting nailed. Bandana was a farking intense, intense dog ... and once that switch went on, anything living was fair game. (And I still have the puncture holes on my calf to prove it, lol)

Her half-sister Red Sonja was the same way. She grabbed her own stifle in a roll once, she would grab the pit wall if you came too close to the corner, she'd the grab carpet if there were folds, she'd grab your hand if it went in front of her, whatever was moving (or available!), she would get it. She wasn't "panicking," but in fact was SO HAPPY, SO ENERGIZED that she was just "after anything that moved" too.

One of the funniest visuals/stories I can remember was when I sold Red Sonja to Conan Kennels. Conan was a big dude, like 6-2, 240 lb, and decided to take the tiny Red Sonja outside to do some flirt-poling. Sonja was indoors in her crate, and Conan picked-up the little 27 lb dog under his arm and carefully carried her into the kitchen (where the flirtpole was on the sink) and then he picked up the flirt-pole ...

Conan had just opened-up the door to go outside, and as soon as Red-Sonja saw that flirt-pole in his hand, she went out of her flippin mind, latched onto the door, grabbing it with both paws and her mouth, and started shaking the shit out of the door, suspended there 3' off the ground :lol:

Conan had to break Sonja off the door with a stick ... who then chased his ass all over the yard as (in Sonja's mind) IT WAS ON! :rotflmao:

He called me all out of breath, alarmed, and after getting over the shock, we both laughed :rotflmao:

And then I said, "Oh yeah, one more thing about Red Sonja ... don't get near her if she gets geeked-up." :lol:

Jack

[EWO]

Never knew Red Sonja or experienced her, but there are lot of places where she would have been no more. Zero tolerance. I was there for a time, a number of years ago.

We were rolling dogs one day and in the break, once my dog was clear I pulled him back. The other guy pulled back and his free hand got near my dog's mouth and he got hung. Of course that automatically dubbed him a man-biter. I told him the dog was not the problem, he basically stuck his freakin' hand in the dog's mouth.

It's funny because as friends it has been a funny story for a long time. He called my dog a man-biting piece of cur shit out of anger. I called him a dumbass. That was years ago. Even today when it comes up I tell him that dog went on to win two, and a GIS,
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=42272
, and never bit another soul. The dog proved he was not a man-biting piece of cur shit. I tell my buddy since then you have failed to prove you were not/are not a dumbass.

[bamaman]

I got a young nephew who don't always listen and he will nod his head like he hears you.Well I told him I said don't walk in front this dog when I turn him loose.So he nods like he understands and I let the dog go and he walks right in front of him.I can bet you none of those little hot girls he chases made him come out of his pants faster than the dog did.

[Bingo]

Other great dogs?

Have you ever owned/fed a truly great dog?

Most truly great, seriously badass dogs are "great" because of their intensity and their refusal to be dominated in any way :idea:

Jack
Exactly what I was thinkin when I read his post

[Officially Retired]

I got a young nephew who don't always listen and he will nod his head like he hears you.Well I told him I said don't walk in front this dog when I turn him loose.So he nods like he understands and I let the dog go and he walks right in front of him.I can bet you none of those little hot girls he chases made him come out of his pants faster than the dog did.

:lol:

[Officially Retired]

Other great dogs?

Have you ever owned/fed a truly great dog?

Most truly great, seriously badass dogs are "great" because of their intensity and their refusal to be dominated in any way :idea:

Jack

Exactly what I was thinkin when I read his post

:idea:

[Officially Retired]

Never knew Red Sonja or experienced her, but there are lot of places where she would have been no more. Zero tolerance. I was there for a time, a number of years ago.


That is because too many people in dogs basically don't know shit about dogs, basically understand nothing about dogs.

The Old Man I knew was the opposite: he wouldn't trust any dog that was "too friendly" ... or would NOT get into that "Zone" ... where they were almost insanely high/drunk with intensity :idea:

And I totally understand his point. We expect these dogs to be 100% dead game, to have a level of intensity and focus that cannot be discouraged ... not by fatigue, not by punishment, not by domination, etc. ... and yet these guys (mostly green/mostly stupid) expect them to be completely gentle lambs "with people" no matter what. It's really kind of retarded :embarrassed:

The more experience people get, the more they realize MOST dog bite incidents involve owner stupidity, of having NO CLUE about how geeked-up these dogs can get (like they're supposed to) as opposed to being truly mean dogs.

I am all for putting down a truly man-aggressive dog ... but there is simply a difference between a geeked-up, game (but otherwise sweet) bulldog that's "in The Zone" ... and a truly malicious, dangerous dog ... and a dogman knows the difference ... whereas a novice does not :idea:




We were rolling dogs one day and in the break, once my dog was clear I pulled him back. The other guy pulled back and his free hand got near my dog's mouth and he got hung. Of course that automatically dubbed him a man-biter. I told him the dog was not the problem, he basically stuck his freakin' hand in the dog's mouth.

:lol:




It's funny because as friends it has been a funny story for a long time. He called my dog a man-biting piece of cur shit out of anger. I called him a dumbass. That was years ago. Even today when it comes up I tell him that dog went on to win two, and a GIS,
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=42272
, and never bit another soul. The dog proved he was not a man-biting piece of cur shit. I tell my buddy since then you have failed to prove you were not/are not a dumbass.

Lol, yep.

People who don't "get" these dogs in the most basic of ways, typically have zilch for a record to confirm their lack of understanding in other ways ...

Jack

[Pit Bull Committed]

Other great dogs?

Have you ever owned/fed a truly great dog?

Most truly great, seriously badass dogs are "great" because of their intensity and their refusal to be dominated in any way :idea:

Jack

I never said anything about dogs with human aggression are curs in the box did I? I was just saying I would rather not work with one that is aggressive towards any human being. So are you trying to imply that most dogs that are intelligent enough to be loyal to their master "the human" are non great dogs? LMFAO!!! Also if you're trying to say that "MOST" great dogs are people aggressive that would be a first for me to hear from someone with 20+ years of experience with bulldogs. Lol...

"Most truly great, seriously badass dogs are "great" because of their intensity and their refusal to be dominated in any way"...Well duhh...this is pretty much a no brainer....but I must say there's a difference from being loyal to a human being and submitting to another dog. :idea: :-)

[Nut]

Exactly Pit Bull Commited. Relating food possessive behaviour to humans to being great dogs is how Jack likes to say it himself all the time, retarded.

I've never dealt with such dogs. If it stays with food agression Im ok with it and just shove its food at him. Once I can't fully trust my dog in other situations (except for being careful in the corner) i cull.

[EWO]

Good post. I think there can be a difference between trust and understanding the why's and what for's. Not to 'over dumb' a comparison, understanding why a dog bites can sometime be a difference maker.

(Not to over dumb it, but...) "Every time I hit him with this stick he bites the shit out of me" vs. "I can't get him off the chain, every time I touch him he bites me". Or, if he has a bone and I take it away he bites me vs. when he is all geeked in the corner, screaming for more he will turn at "bite at" me to be released". All these end up as bites and they all hurt like hell. I know some, and even just about painted myself in this corner years ago, who says all of these are the same. A mindset of, 'if he will bite now, in time he will bite then'.

The guy that turned me on to the dogs was never much of a breeder. He kept 8-10, maybe 12 dogs open to the world. He culled. In hindsight, not too hard but too much. If there was anything that in that moment he thought would keep that dog from making his scratch on Saturday night it was culled. Human aggression fell in that list. Any type or at any time. He had two columns, yes he will and no we won't. The 'yes he will bite' never made it past that moment in time.

As a young boy when you meet someone who is showing you the way, and his way is winning match dogs, normally one takes that path. I did. I culled a lot of dogs for a number of different reasons. Human aggression being one. I have a couple now that if they came along 20 years ago they would be no more.

I have a female on the chain is as docile and friendly as any lap dog on the planet. She is a handful to breed as she is more of a 'fighter than a lover". She shows no aggression when being handled while performing or while being bred. And as important as it is to help her with puppies that is an absolute no-no. Touch one if you want and she will offer you an explanation that even the dumbest of asses (like me, took two times and almost a third to get the hint) can understand. When they are four weeks or so 'she begrudgingly lets go" and I can start feeding them, handling them shots and what not. Anything I do with them I have to remove her do what I need to do and then put her back, never at the same time. I have seen the day, and know some, who would not/could not see past the motherly instinct. EWO



Exactly Pit Bull Commited. Relating food possessive behaviour to humans to being great dogs is how Jack likes to say it himself all the time, retarded.

I've never dealt with such dogs. If it stays with food agression Im ok with it and just shove its food at him. Once I can't fully trust my dog in other situations (except for being careful in the corner) i cull.

[EWO]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=41359

Ch. Charlie was as good a good a dog as anyone would ever want to own. Game, talented, methodical with incredible finish. He controlled from the side of the head, from the ear to the throat, until it was time and then it was a good night throat check. Incredible dog.

Two instances. We went to an outdoor show. They sat the lights up in the wrong corners. The dogs were blinded. Charlie scratched to the first thing that moved, happened be the referee, nipped him, saw the other dog and made a hard right to the other dog. Prior to the next show we had just finished working him and was doing a rubdown in the building. I was building the box. I dropped a handful of screws and without thinking got down on all fours picking them up. I looked up and from ten foot away Charlie looked up and did that little lean forward and DTA grabbed him. If you have never been on all fours looking into the eyes of a maniacal, yet methodical, serial killer, well, it is unnerving. He had a far away look that is hard to explain. Should he have known the difference between me and another dog? Yes, but...I was not standing up, I was on all fours. I was positioned directly across from him and he was on his line and I assume the thought I was on mine. We made eye contact. We were in the building. We were in the box. He already did in a couple in that same building in that same box.

If DTA does not grab him I am typing right now with a bunch a scars and a painful story vs. 'this was about to happen. We put that dog in a position where he checked all the boxes and when all the boxes are checked, he had been schooled to 'go'. And 'go' was about to happen.

That bite would have been on me and DTA, not CH Charlie, as he said, "Check, check, check, check, check, here I come". All bites are not created equal. EWO

[Officially Retired]

I never said anything about dogs with human aggression are curs in the box did I? I was just saying I would rather not work with one that is aggressive towards any human being. So are you trying to imply that most dogs that are intelligent enough to be loyal to their master "the human" are non great dogs? LMFAO!!! Also if you're trying to say that "MOST" great dogs are people aggressive that would be a first for me to hear from someone with 20+ years of experience with bulldogs. Lol...


You get all giddy, and "LYFAO" all you want, but you understand nothing.

First of all, I never said anything about "curs" or "in the box," or any other such nonsense.

Your original statement was, "No dog aggression towards me or any human being period for me. I'd shoot it if it was mine."

Now you are talking about "loyalty." The two are completely different.

That I have to explain this, again proves you understand nothing.




Also if you're trying to say that "MOST" great dogs are people aggressive that would be a first for me to hear from someone with 20+ years of experience with bulldogs. Lol...

Again, you simply have no understanding of anything. There is a difference between "people aggressive," and a dog that is INTENSE and IN THE ZONE ... you are just not dogman enough to understand this.




Well duhh...this is pretty much a no brainer....but I must say there's a difference from being loyal to a human being and submitting to another dog. :idea: :-)

I do believe you have experience in the "No brain" department.

However, loyalty and "submitting" are pet-owner terms.

I was talking about INTENSITY ... and even the most loyal BULLDOGS in the world, can become intense, and will hit whatever is moving.

A dogman understands this, while a novice with a big ego, but little experience, still does not.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Exactly Pit Bull Commited. Relating food possessive behaviour to humans to being great dogs is how Jack likes to say it himself all the time, retarded.


The only thing "retarded" is you shifting the discussion from intensity to "food possessive behavior."

The OP was talking about KILL-possessive behavior, not "food" ...

My dog Stormbringer could be petted while he ate dog food, no problem ... but he would NOT let you get near a KILL or a BONE he had.

Let one of your dogs kill something, or give it a dead rabbit ... and try to take it away from them ... and you might be in for a surprise :lol:

Jack

[S_B]

"Every time I hit him with this stick he bites the shit out of me" vs. "I can't get him off the chain, every time I touch him he bites me". Or, if he has a bone and I take it away he bites me vs. when he is all geeked in the corner, screaming for more he will turn at "bite at" me to be released". All these end up as bites and they all hurt like hell. I know some, and even just about painted myself in this corner years ago, who says all of these are the same. A mindset of, 'if he will bite now, in time he will bite then. EWO

Those behaviors you described EWO is the big difference in bulldogs that are actually human aggressive vs. being excitable in the heat of the moment.

Most truly intense dogs will hit you, not purposely while engaging. It's kind of like when you get into a brawl at the bar and you "blacked out"and whooped some ass! Dogs also, by my observation of their behavior, go into this mode. Having a good eye and being able to differentiate between their behavior is learned, unfortunately many never get it.

I know some folks who have a few dogs they can't handle without muzzeling in certain situations. Like clipping toe nails, breeding or treating various things on the dog. Those traits are NOT for me, if I can't give my dog basic medical attention without being hammered by the dog, then I'm culling it. There is no excuse for that behavior, none.

I think by being a good dogman you learn to recognize the good and bad overall in your dogs and you have no trouble differentiating between what is acceptable and what isn't.

S_B

[Pit Bull Committed]

EWO...I agree with what you said. Purposely biting for any reason I would just not tolerate it. If I was the only one to be around the dog or handle it I may make an exception if the aggression isn't too severe (but I'm not the only one...I have little kids). Unintentionally biting is not as bad...just have to know what will trigger them and avoid it.

Jack, I was simply just stating my opinion on what I would do if I had a dog that show aggression towards me or any human being. You're the one that decided you wanted to make a claim that "most" of those dogs (I would rather not work with) are badass "great" dogs. So I just have to luagh my ass off to that. :)

[EWO]

Agreed. It is important to differentiate between bites. And a person's individual situation works in the mix as well, as a bit child is a bit child regardless of the reasons. My kid interacted with all my dogs as he and they grew up. So I had that concern as well. I basically broke my yard into halves. In the back yard were puppies and young dogs who were still puppies. As they matured they moved to the other side of the property that was fenced in with locked gates.

Back to the original intent of the post. I have one dog who I can handle and rough house with to no end. When he is eating I can rub and handle with him with no issue. If he is eating a fleshy bone type meal he gets stand offish. He never showed any real issue but I have never tried to take it from him. If I pushed the issue I may have a problem, but he is on a chain, fenced in around him, so that something I do not need to pursue/figure out.

Like most things with the dogs it ends up being the choice of the guy dropping the feed everyday. EWO

[Black Hand]

You can push a dog to bite you. Some dogs just require less reason to get your ass than others.

[bamaman]

Ok here is yet one Laast story....I am a greenhorn ...Ok I have a young male I like...I have a older female that has no bad habbits..ok so I put my young male with her to teach him to be a good catch dog....we got a pig ...I turn my young male Loose just a split sec to soon and he caught my female....she drug his ass to the hog and caught with this male pup locked on her.Dogs have to learn like we do.

[Officially Retired]

You can push a dog to bite you. Some dogs just require less reason to get your ass than others.

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