((( DOY 2014 ... TOP 5 MALES/FEMALES ... LIST THEM! )))

[Officially Retired]

Males:
Gr Ch Titere (7xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=11369)
Gr Ch Grip (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45654)
Gr Ch Ol' School (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38104)
Gr Ch T-Rex (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45800)
Gr Ch Hank (5xW)


Females:
Gr Ch Capoeira (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45766)
Gr Ch Siega (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45744)
Ch Nereyda (4xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45747)
Ch April (3xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41074)
Ch Pretty (3xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=43990)


Here are some considerations for DOY 2014. You may add others not mentioned. I still cannot find the pedigree on Gr Ch Hank. Can anyone post the ped for him?

Post your opinions here ... give pros/cons to each. This topic will be open for 2 weeks after which we will cast a vote. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

Thanks -- and have fun -- but keep it respectful and real.

Jack

[MISTER]

Titere for males and Capoeira for females... I do like Siega as well but her last was over a 1st time out, No tcf didnt go seeking out a 1st time out they were simply hooked in the blind (a weight and Date) nevertheless it was a 1st time out so Capoeira gets my nod

[S_B]

My vote is for GR CH TITERE 7XW.

I do not know enough about some of the females to cast a fair vote.

S_B

[LEFTLANE]

Hard choice with grip and titere both beating a GC, ill have to go with the 7xw, titere

[Officially Retired]

Does anyone have any info on what the others did? T-Rex, Hank, etc.?

Also pedigrees/photos?

I would also like a photo/pedigree on Ch Lotto, the dog who lost to Titere last year.

Thanks for any additional info!

[pitz4life]

I'm like S_B, I don't know a hell of a lot on the females but i would run with Titere

[MISTER]

Does anyone have any info on what the others did? T-Rex, Hank, etc.?

Also pedigrees/photos?

I would also like a photo/pedigree on Ch Lotto, the dog who lost to Titere last year.

Thanks for any additional info!

Ch lotto

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45768

Sorry for the peds online link

Admin: Thanks! Amended! :-bd

[ragedog10]

Gonna go with my boy Titere for males. Don't know enough about females to vote.

[Officially Retired]

Give your thoughts as to runners-up and why ...

[SHOWBOX]

My vote is for GR CH Titere 7xW.

All exploits listed are fictitious and are for entertainment purposes only.

SHOWBOX

[Officially Retired]

My vote is for GR CH Titere 7xW.


As is mine.




All exploits listed are fictitious and are for entertainment purposes only.
SHOWBOX

1. You've listed no exploits.

2. :rolleyes:

[Macker]

After all I read on the last treat Gr Ch Titere is the dog I'd be voting. I'm really interested to hear people's inputs for bitch of the year.

[MISTER]

My take on old school is his level of competition doesn't stack up to the rest and that's no fault of his or his owner as folks lied to him bout their dog's previous accomplishments or lack there of. Nevertheless he don't have the resume' as the rest. Titere stands alone nd deserves all the accolades

[Black Hand]

Hard to vote for the others not knowing how many times they were shown in the year of 2014.

[ChuckyDukes]

Males: GrCh Titere
Females: GrCh Capoeira

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

Gr Ch Titere (7xW)

[EGK]

Male winner: Grch Titere
Female winner:Grch Capeoria

Male Runner up: Grch Grip

Female Runner up: Ch Pretty or Ch April

[dtakennels]

Titere for the males...

Capoeira for the females...


The Cap female is the Truth.......

[stopem]

gr ch titere

[gotap_d]

I'll go Titere for male

And Ch April for female. April is something serious. Not only did she beat multiple ch's but she made Ch in 3:25 against a Ch that beat 2 or 3 Chs herself.

Gr Ch T-Rex is down from my way Jack. He died the day after a deep game display. I'll try to get a pic or two of him.

[gotap_d]

T REX http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45800

April http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41074

[blackfist]

Titere and Capoeira

[Officially Retired]

T REX http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45800

April http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41074

Thank you.

[Officially Retired]

I'll go Titere for male

And Ch April for female. April is something serious. Not only did she beat multiple ch's but she made Ch in 3:25 against a Ch that beat 2 or 3 Chs herself.

Thank you for the information.




Gr Ch T-Rex is down from my way Jack. He died the day after a deep game display. I'll try to get a pic or two of him.

Hate to hear that. Who did he face, do you know?

I've never really seen his bottomside before, but it is extremely tight-bred, so somebody much have liked it a lot.

Yes, more pics of this DG dog would be wonderful, thank you again.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

My take on old school is his level of competition doesn't stack up to the rest and that's no fault of his or his owner as folks lied to him bout their dog's previous accomplishments or lack there of. Nevertheless he don't have the resume' as the rest. Titere stands alone nd deserves all the accolades

That is too bad for Old School's camp. When did this come to light?

[Officially Retired]

Has anyone actually seen Ch Nereyda 4xW (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45747)?

If you look at her resume it is pretty awesome. 3x BIS. Beat Blackrocks and Old Town, whom I know are legit.

Do not know who Espirito Santo Kennels is, but she beat their Champion, nor do I have info on whose 4xW she allegedly beat.

Anyone?

[MWA]

I'm going with GRCH EL Titere, and GRCH Capoeira. Seen Capoeira go for her 5th, sheared it look easy. And she looked like she was off the chain, maybe 2lbs. over her show weight. JMO. Ran through a 4xw I believe.

GLOBAL

[bulldoghistorian]

my nominee is Ricky B's Sentanta (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45825) and golden king's kid (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45841)
both beat champions and kid beat a champ and a 6 time winner as well

[bulldoghistorian]

my nominee is Ricky B's Sentanta (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45825) and golden king's kid (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45841)
both beat champions and kid beat a champ and a 6 time winner as well

correction Kid beat 2 champs and a 6 time winner

[Macker]

Any ped for Kid (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45841)? He sounds like some dog. RB's gr ch satanta 6xw (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45825) won one in 2014 over a first timer, he beat a ch in 2013. Satanta was a good dog.

[bulldoghistorian]

Any ped for Kid (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45841)? He sounds like some dog. RB's gr ch satanta (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45825) 6xw won one in 2014 over a first timer, he beat a ch in 2013. Satanta was a good dog.

was that 2013 , gheez times fly

there is a ped on kid but not on this site and i understand you get banned if you post outside links
this is who he beat I am not a 100% sure on the years but I understand he starts slowly and is very rough on the face


1xW vs SIRMIUM'S & BAJA'S CEDA 2xW (1:30)

2xW vs SIRMIUM & EXCALIBUR'S (EX) GR CH BEKA 6xW B.I.S (0:40)

3xW vs MAK'S CH MRKI 3xW (0:45)

4xW vs THE CHOSEN FEW'S CH FLOYD a.k.a. LINDO 3xW B.I.S. (0:35)

5xW vs BA Knl's BEAVES (1:47)


6xW vs SERB'S BUCK 2xW (1:40)

[Officially Retired]

was that 2013 , gheez times fly

there is a ped on kid (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45841) but not on this site and i understand you get banned if you post outside links
this is who he beat I am not a 100% sure on the years but I understand he starts slowly and is very rough on the face


1xW vs SIRMIUM'S & BAJA'S CEDA 2xW (1:30)

2xW vs SIRMIUM & EXCALIBUR'S (EX) GR CH BEKA 6xW B.I.S (0:40)

3xW vs MAK'S CH MRKI 3xW (0:45)

4xW vs THE CHOSEN FEW'S CH FLOYD a.k.a. LINDO 3xW B.I.S. (0:35)

5xW vs BA Knl's BEAVES (1:47)


6xW vs SERB'S BUCK 2xW (1:40)

You don't get banned for posting a link to another site, typically you get warned. Repeated offenses will get you banned.

In this case, it would be nice to see the peds, so I didn't mind when others did on some other dogs.

I did the work for you and posted these dogs too. It would be awesome if people would get up off their asses and contribute by adding-in pedigrees themselves :rolleyes:

Anyway, these sound like great dogs overall ... but not sure if either did anything in the year 2014 to qualify for the best of this year.

Jack

[Nut]

i believe he beat mrki and lindo in 2013 and was voted doy for that on a russian board. nothing to be granted global doy for 2014 imo

[EGK]

Much respect to RB and Grch Setanta. He did his last in 2:01 at 6yrs old for #6 too. Grch Kid for his last went up 2.2lbs from his best weight and spotted another 1/2lb at the scales and pulled it off over a 2xw who he curred in 1:40. Two very nice nominees for sure. I completely forgot about them. Also both did go in 2014.

[S_B]

Much respect to RB and Grch Setanta. He did his last in 2:01 at 6yrs old for #6 too. Grch Kid for his last went up 2.2lbs from his best weight and spotted another 1/2lb at the scales and pulled it off over a 2xw. Two very nice nominees for sure. I completely forgot about them. Also both did go in 2014.

:hatsoff:

[EGK]

Grch Kid's resume is the only one I must say notch for notch compares with Titere with Titere's biggest win being more recent though and devastating. That makes me say Titere still.

[bulldoghistorian]

i believe he beat mrki and lindo in 2013 and was voted doy for that on a russian board. nothing to be granted global doy for 2014 imo


I cant seem to get my facts straight

[EGK]

Bulldoghistorian I thought he beat Buck 2xw in June of 2014 myself. Buck himself didn't have much of a record for as opponents it seems with a :13 win over 1xw, then 3:17 with a 3xl, and being spotted 2 1/2lbs and couldn't do enough in 1:40. Also I just went back and read and yes it was.

Buck's ped (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45859) (really spelled Bak)

1XW. in 13 min. vs SU team

2XW. in 3h 17 min. vs Brothers Knl's MICO 1XW 3XL. Lose in 1h 40 min. vs GOLDEN KING'S KID GR CH 5XW D.O.Y

[Officially Retired]

Much respect to RB and Grch Setanta. He did his last in 2:01 at 6yrs old for #6 too. Grch Kid for his last went up 2.2lbs from his best weight and spotted another 1/2lb at the scales and pulled it off over a 2xw who he curred in 1:40. Two very nice nominees for sure. I completely forgot about them. Also both did go in 2014.

Who did Gr Ch Setana (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45825) go into (# of wins the opponents had also)?
Did he make it? I would be interested to know his full record, as Kid's is displayed.

I agree that Gr Ch Kid (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45841) does have an awesome resume in the past, but the Crveni/Bak (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45859) dog looks like kind of a veteran palooka/warhorse ... good enough to go 4x (and win half of them) ... but not truly elite material. The fact that Kid also spotted him virtually 3 lb of weight is telling. Although Kid faced the best to be had early in his career, honestly that last one seems more like a "padded win" for Kid than a truly elite-level showdown ... like Gr Ch Titere (6xW/DOY) vs. Gr Ch Homer Balboa (6xW/DOY).

Again, curious as to what Gr Ch Setana won over and if he made it. You said, "He did his last in 2:01 at 6yrs old for #6 too," but there's no mention of quality of opposition.

For the record, many of these European dogs seem to have fantastic physiques, almost having their own "type" ...

Jack

[EGK]

Not much more I can say on Setanta. The guys across the pond will have to help you there. Not sure how much his owner cares to be known. They introduced him to the conversation though and know more what going on on their side of the world. Also it does seem like they value the older traits of the breed. More square dogs balanced with long strong necks. Not many of the 2 dogs long 1 high types. More durable on the crowns of their toes dogs.

[gotap_d]

Im not trying to take anything away from any of the dogs and i also dont know about all of the dogs but in my opinion the DOY title should be based on that year. Time seems to be flying but wasnt Titere and Homer in 2013? If it was then i would assume that Titere and Lotto was 2014. Gr Ch T Rex won his fifth in 2014 against a 2xw. How could those accomplishments surpass a dog that beats a 2xer, 4xer, and 3xer in the same year?

[MISTER]

Im not trying to take anything away from any of the dogs and i also dont know about all of the dogs but in my opinion the DOY title should be based on that year. Time seems to be flying but wasnt Titere and Homer in 2013? If it was then i would assume that Titere and Lotto was 2014. Gr Ch T Rex won his fifth in 2014 against a 2xw. How could those accomplishments surpass a dog that beats a 2xer, 4xer, and 3xer in the same year?

Titere hit the lotto first then hit the jackpot again in 2014 to decimate Balboa which IMO was the best hunt in 2014 bc both were in their prime plus the accomplishments both put on the line. A winner take all type deal, there were no other hunts of that magnitude

[gotap_d]

Titere hit the lotto first then hit the jackpot again in 2014 to decimate Balboa which IMO was the best hunt in 2014 bc both were in their prime plus the accomplishments both put on the line. A winner take all type deal, there were no other hunts of that magnitude

Ok. Thanks I thought balboa was 2013 my mistake.

Does anyone know the opponents of gr ch sweetie?

[Dogmaster]

First on Ch April her second one was into an 3xw and it went 1:05 and her 3rd was into a 4xw that went 3:25 and she was sold after her second one to Toe2Toe kennels all dogs DOA. I don't know much about the other females, but Titere should be dog of the year again with Grip second. Ch Shadow was the 3rd win I don't know how she was bred, but she held Aprils bottom jaw for an hour an a half too keep her mouth off her. This bitch is an ACE!

[gotap_d]

First on Ch April her second one was into an 3xw and it went 1:05 and her 3rd was into a 4xw that went 3:25 and she was sold after her second one to Toe2Toe kennels all dogs DOA. I don't know much about the other females, but Titere should be dog of the year again with Grip second. Ch Shadow was the 3rd win I don't know how she was bred, but she held Aprils bottom jaw for an hour an a half too keep her mouth off her. This bitch is an ACE!

For number 2 April beat stopped blood bonds 4xw Ch Shadow from making Gr Ch. She didnt doa everything because Shadow was picked up game and is still alive.

[gotap_d]

For number 2 April beat stopped blood bonds 4xw Ch Shadow from making Gr Ch. She didnt doa everything because Shadow was picked up game and is still alive.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=11438

[loot]

GR CH TITERE

CH Siega

[Dogmaster]

Ok I was told she died, but that's good they saved their dog. And I made a mistake 2nd was an 4xw, and 3rd a 3xw

[Officially Retired]

Ok I was told she died, but that's good they saved their dog

Who died?

[Dogmaster]

I thought 2nd dog April went into died,but I guess she didn't. :)

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

Oh, how i do love this topic. :-SS

[Officially Retired]

I thought 2nd dog April went into died,but I guess she didn't. :)

Yeah, SwampDweller was advertising a breeding off of her, so I agree that's nice.

Also hats off to him for not making up a pedigree on her: told the truth that he didn't know how she's bred :hatsoff:

[S_B]

Oh, how i do love this topic. :-SS

:rotflmao: I'm enjoying it too!

[Officially Retired]

Ok. Thanks I thought balboa was 2013 my mistake.

Does anyone know the opponents of gr ch sweetie?

I believe she did not go in 2014 ...

[Officially Retired]

Gr Ch Hank (5xW)

............ I still cannot find the pedigree on Gr Ch Hank. Can anyone post the ped for him?


:-t

[bulldoghistorian]

Not much more I can say on Setanta. The guys across the pond will have to help you there. Not sure how much his owner cares to be known. They introduced him to the conversation though and know more what going on on their side of the world. Also it does seem like they value the older traits of the breed. More square dogs balanced with long strong necks. Not many of the 2 dogs long 1 high types. More durable on the crowns of their toes dogs.

ricky and I go way back
I know some of the blokes in the area don't care for the info tough
hence I did not mention opponents

I know many of the main players where sentanta was shown

it is top notch and there is a rich history on working dogs

its time we let the old times live and travel again so I can whoop some ass

[bulldoghistorian]

:rotflmao: I'm enjoying it too!

thats what it is supposed to be , cons and pros
and above all respect for the dogs

[bulldoghistorian]

I feel the need to enlighten the people

the old continent is much or less divided

1) east ( balkan , ukraine , and former eastern countries)
2) a) EU North
b) EU south
3) isles

there is almost no travel between 1 and the rest
2 and 3 on rare occasions but off lately almost zero

1 has a seperate set of rules
2 and 3 cajun rules

in 1 comp is crazy there shows on a daily basis with kennels almost every 10 miles

[Macker]

Satanta didn't make it after his last one unfortunately, he beat a first timer in his last one. He was 5 and a half as far as I know.

RIP Gr Ch Satanta 6xw

[Officially Retired]

Satanta didn't make it after his last one unfortunately, he beat a first timer in his last one. He was 5 and a half as far as I know.

RIP Gr Ch Satanta 6xw

Booo, hate to hear that.

Sounds like a royal flush of a great dog down the toilet.

To me, this was a bad call. Bringing out a 5xW to face another 5xW is one thing ... or a highly-regarded Champion ... but losing a Grand Champion ... to do what? ... beat a ZEROxW? ... sounds like a pretty dumb move to me :-q

He had *nothing* to win ... and everything to lose ... and he lost everything.

Again, hate to hear it ... but sounds like a great dog.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

I feel the need to enlighten the people

the old continent is much or less divided

1) east ( balkan , ukraine , and former eastern countries)
2) a) EU North
b) EU south
3) isles

there is almost no travel between 1 and the rest
2 and 3 on rare occasions but off lately almost zero

1 has a seperate set of rules
2 and 3 cajun rules

in 1 comp is crazy there shows on a daily basis with kennels almost every 10 miles

Interesting info ...

[Macker]

Booo, hate to hear that.

Sounds like a royal flush of a great dog down the toilet.

To me, this was a bad call. Bringing out a 5xW to face another 5xW is one thing ... or a highly-regarded Champion ... but losing a Grand Champion ... to do what? ... beat a ZEROxW? ... sounds like a pretty dumb move to me :-q

He had *nothing* to win ... and everything to lose ... and he lost everything.

Again, hate to hear it ... but sounds like a great dog.

Jack


I agree, it was a waste but RB openly admits he has no interest in breeding and his main interest is competing so having a dog sitting in the kennel would be eating away at him.

To me though it was a total waste.

It's different over here, Barney is the newest (and only living) grand champion here, he is only the sixth ever gr ch here, satanta was the fift, it's a small group of guys competing, it's a talent rich pool of dogs though, guys rarely bring out rubbish, weather a first timer is shown or a champion a lot of the time it's a decent dog.

As soon as a dog wins 1, more often then not it's head hunted by everyone, when it wins two then it's head hunted by some and avoided by some and when it wins 3 it's highly avoided hahaha


Personally I think Barney is better than satanta but I'm totally bias hahaha Barney steam rolled everything he ever went into but I still think he isn't worthy of a mention in this poll, the things some of the dogs have done here far out weigh the achievements of Barney and satanta.

It's nice to mention their names though.

[Officially Retired]

Hi Macker, I think Gr Ch Barney (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42885) is worth mentioning on this poll, just because of his rarity as a Gr Ch in your neck of the woods :mrgreen:

I understand RB maybe not being into breeding, but not sure if that means a person has to have no respect for the life of a dog and just run everything into the ground until it's gone.

I know that's the mentality of some, but it's very short-sighted IMO. and not very cool either.

Especially since the dog proved close to DG.

Now, if he would have been lost, say, in a showdown with your dog ... as a "Best of Best" effort where you're at ... that would have at least been some kind of historical goal to shoot for.

But the way he was lost, to a 0-time winner, with zero "upside" to a win, was just an utter waste of a great dog IMO.

Jack

[Macker]

Yea I totally agree.

[DUKE_CITY]

Titere is my vote. I love the way he's bred and he did his thing over mmu.

Much respect from gto

[bulldoghistorian]

Yea I totally agree.

its hard making a grand champion

[DUKE_CITY]

Yes it's hard to make a gr ch. It's even harder to beat one. What a shame titere didn't get doy

[Macker]

Yea for sure Bulldog historian.

Duke_City that's the idea of this tread, we're having our own vote on The PBB DOY, voted for by the members of the board.

[DUKE_CITY]

Cool

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

So many great female's lol

[Jason]

Ol School

[Officially Retired]

Ol School

Do you have any thoughts as to why?

[Officially Retired]

Yea for sure Bulldog historian.

Duke_City that's the idea of this tread, we're having our own vote on The PBB DOY, voted for by the members of the board.


Cool


Exactly right.

No disrespect to the SDJ, but he is just one man with an opinion.

Further, I have no idea as to his actual credentials as a dogman. (Does anyone? :-?)

Has he ever bred or showed a Champion? How long has he been in dogs? Etc., etc.

All he has done, as far as I know, is take the name of Jack Kelly's magazine ... but he does not have Jack Kelly's credentials or contacts.
I give the guy all the credit in the world for his efforts, and for the tremendous job he does in making it the nicest-looking APBT magazine I have ever seen.
But I still do not agree with a lot of his choices.

Hell, for that matter, we can take a hard look at even Jack Kelly's choices.
He was just a man with an opinion too ... a more informed opinion than most, but an opinion nonetheless.
Jack Kelly sure didn't see all these dogs go, that he voted on, he merely "talked to people on the phone," same as most.

For example, Jack Kelly refused to list European/foreign Champions, which I believe is short-sided and wrong. I understand the lack of contacts, so be it, but this is the internet and (like it or not) we are now in a global world, not an isolated one. I think it is fascinating learning about European Champions, and I wish I had more contacts for Asian Champions. I had some Philippine contacts, but one of the greatest dogs ever from my line was in Japan, and I never knew anyone who could really give me much info on him. This was more than 1.5 decades ago, and I wish I knew the internet then as I do now.

We all just "assumed" Jack Kelly was the leader at the time, and took his Dog of the Year title as gospel ... but we don't have to do so now :-t

I have enough of my own experience now not to care about too many other opinions, and I know many of you do also.

For example, when we think of dogs like Gr Ch Titere, and what he accomplished, how did dogs like Mayday (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=170) and Machobuck (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=327) get DOY titles?
Sure, I love Mayday, as he came from Hollingsworth, and Machobuck is such a good-looking dog you want to just GIVE him a title (:lol:).
But in all seriousness what did they do, over and above winning 5, to warrant DOY status?

They damned sure didn't do what Titere did (beat 4xWs and 6xWs back-to-back) ... if I recall correctly both Mayday and Machobuck beat ZERO-TIME WINNERS to earn their 5th deal and Gr Ch titles. Hey, winning 5 is a great accomplishment in-and-of itself ... but is it really Dog of the Year material? :shocked: :confused:

Not when compared to some of these other dogs it's not. Gr Ch DaBeast (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38065) beat Ch Glock (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=22890) and Gr Ch Bo Duke (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45932) to earn DOY status ... so how in the world does beating ZERO-TIME WINNERS qualify any dog for a DOY title?

The Pit Bull Bible Online APBT Database is actually poised to be in a position to offer what NO magazine offers and that is transparency and voting.
Yall can vote, and yall can see HOW MANY votes there are :-bd

What magazine can offer that?
ZERO.

Who cares what one magazine editor has to say, when we can hear what every member here has to say? :idea:

We will be putting the matter to a vote, soon, but so far it looks like a LANDSLIDE for Titere.

Jack

PS: Still no one has anything to say about Gr Ch Hank (5xW)??

[scratchin dog]

Gr Ch Titere

[Macker]

Exactly right.

No disrespect to the SDJ, but he is just one man with an opinion.

Further, I have no idea as to his actual credentials as a dogman. (Does anyone? :-?)

Has he ever bred or showed a Champion? How long has he been in dogs? Etc., etc.

All he has done, as far as I know, is take the name of Jack Kelly's magazine ... but he does not have Jack Kelly's credentials or contacts.
I give the guy all the credit in the world for his efforts, and for the tremendous job he does in making it the nicest-looking APBT magazine I have ever seen.
But I still do not agree with a lot of his choices.

Hell, for that matter, we can take a hard look at even Jack Kelly's choices.
He was just a man with an opinion too ... a more informed opinion than most, but an opinion nonetheless.
Jack Kelly sure didn't see all these dogs go, that he voted on, he merely "talked to people on the phone," same as most.

For example, Jack Kelly refused to list European/foreign Champions, which I believe is short-sided and wrong. I understand the lack of contacts, so be it, but this is the internet and (like it or not) we are now in a global world, not an isolated one. I think it is fascinating learning about European Champions, and I wish I had more contacts for Asian Champions. I had some Philippine contacts, but one of the greatest dogs ever from my line was in Japan, and I never knew anyone who could really give me much info on him. This was more than 1.5 decades ago, and I wish I knew the internet then as I do now.

We all just "assumed" Jack Kelly was the leader at the time, and took his Dog of the Year title as gospel ... but we don't have to do so now :-t

I have enough of my own experience now not to care about too many other opinions, and I know many of you do also.

For example, when we think of dogs like Gr Ch Titere, and what he accomplished, how did dogs like Mayday (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=170) and Machobuck (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=327) get DOY titles?
Sure, I love Mayday, as he came from Hollingsworth, and Machobuck is such a good-looking dog you want to just GIVE him a title (:lol:).
But in all seriousness what did they do, over and above winning 5, to warrant DOY status?

They damned sure didn't do what Titere did (beat 4xWs and 6xWs back-to-back) ... if I recall correctly both Mayday and Machobuck beat ZERO-TIME WINNERS to earn their 5th deal and Gr Ch titles. Hey, winning 5 is a great accomplishment in-and-of itself ... but is it really Dog of the Year material? :shocked: :confused:

Not when compared to some of these other dogs it's not. Gr Ch DaBeast (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38065) beat Ch Glock (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=22890) and Gr Ch Bo Duke (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45932) to earn DOY status ... so how in the world does beating ZERO-TIME WINNERS qualify any dog for a DOY title?

The Pit Bull Bible Online APBT Database is actually poised to be in a position to offer what NO magazine offers and that is transparency and voting.
Yall can vote, and yall can see HOW MANY votes there are :-bd

What magazine can offer that?
ZERO.

Who cares what one magazine editor has to say, when we can hear what every member here has to say? :idea:

We will be putting the matter to a vote, soon, but so far it looks like a LANDSLIDE for Titere.

Jack

PS: Still no one has anything to say about Gr Ch Hank (5xW)??


This isn't a pop at the publisher of the SDJ nor an accusation but a general observation. It's very simple as the editor of a magazine to be corrupt, especially when your opinion can make somebody a lot of money.

[gotap_d]

Exactly right.

No disrespect to the SDJ, but he is just one man with an opinion.

Further, I have no idea as to his actual credentials as a dogman. (Does anyone? :-?)

Has he ever bred or showed a Champion? How long has he been in dogs? Etc., etc.

All he has done, as far as I know, is take the name of Jack Kelly's magazine ... but he does not have Jack Kelly's credentials or contacts.
I give the guy all the credit in the world for his efforts, and for the tremendous job he does in making it the nicest-looking APBT magazine I have ever seen.
But I still do not agree with a lot of his choices.

Hell, for that matter, we can take a hard look at even Jack Kelly's choices.
He was just a man with an opinion too ... a more informed opinion than most, but an opinion nonetheless.
Jack Kelly sure didn't see all these dogs go, that he voted on, he merely "talked to people on the phone," same as most.

For example, Jack Kelly refused to list European/foreign Champions, which I believe is short-sided and wrong. I understand the lack of contacts, so be it, but this is the internet and (like it or not) we are now in a global world, not an isolated one. I think it is fascinating learning about European Champions, and I wish I had more contacts for Asian Champions. I had some Philippine contacts, but one of the greatest dogs ever from my line was in Japan, and I never knew anyone who could really give me much info on him. This was more than 1.5 decades ago, and I wish I knew the internet then as I do now.

We all just "assumed" Jack Kelly was the leader at the time, and took his Dog of the Year title as gospel ... but we don't have to do so now :-t

I have enough of my own experience now not to care about too many other opinions, and I know many of you do also.

For example, when we think of dogs like Gr Ch Titere, and what he accomplished, how did dogs like Mayday (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=170) and Machobuck (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=327) get DOY titles?
Sure, I love Mayday, as he came from Hollingsworth, and Machobuck is such a good-looking dog you want to just GIVE him a title (:lol:).
But in all seriousness what did they do, over and above winning 5, to warrant DOY status?

They damned sure didn't do what Titere did (beat 4xWs and 6xWs back-to-back) ... if I recall correctly both Mayday and Machobuck beat ZERO-TIME WINNERS to earn their 5th deal and Gr Ch titles. Hey, winning 5 is a great accomplishment in-and-of itself ... but is it really Dog of the Year material? :shocked: :confused:

Not when compared to some of these other dogs it's not. Gr Ch DaBeast (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38065) beat Ch Glock (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=22890) and Gr Ch Bo Duke (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45932) to earn DOY status ... so how in the world does beating ZERO-TIME WINNERS qualify any dog for a DOY title?

The Pit Bull Bible Online APBT Database is actually poised to be in a position to offer what NO magazine offers and that is transparency and voting.
Yall can vote, and yall can see HOW MANY votes there are :-bd

What magazine can offer that?
ZERO.

Who cares what one magazine editor has to say, when we can hear what every member here has to say? :idea:

We will be putting the matter to a vote, soon, but so far it looks like a LANDSLIDE for Titere.

Jack

PS: Still no one has anything to say about Gr Ch Hank (5xW)??

As for mayday and machobuck they may have beat first time outs for their gr ch but in my opinion it boils down to what competitors owned those first time outs and what did all the other dogs up for doy discussion do that year?

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This isn't a pop at the publisher of the SDJ nor an accusation but a general observation. It's very simple as the editor of a magazine to be corrupt, especially when your opinion can make somebody a lot of money.

That is exactly my point: FAVORITISM.

Did Jack Kelly give the DOY awards based on merit, or because "he knew the guys" and wanted to do them a favor?
Didn't Fat Bill show his own contempt for Kelly, eventually, by re-naming it the "Jeep/Buck Journal?"

Gr Ch Mayday is one of *the* most prolific producers in history, and that was partly due to his quality (of course), but also partly due to the fact Victor had at least 60 bitches to breed to him, and ran full-page ads offering pups out of him + stud service, for the better part of a decade.

Do you think Gr Ch DaBeast (7xW) DOY might be able to produce some Champions if Cash Money had 60+ bitches, and offered pups off the dog in full page ads for 10 years?

How about Gr Ch Titere (9xW) DOY? Does anyone think he might be able to do so?

Jack

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As for mayday and machobuck they may have beat first time outs for their gr ch but in my opinion it boils down to what competitors owned those first time outs and what did all the other dogs up for doy discussion do that year?

When Hardcore Kennels beat David Tant with Ch Doogie (3xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=7497), to earn Doogie the DOY status, he at least beat Tant's Ch Rocko (4xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=8870).

So you're saying Mayday really did deserve DOY status for forcing David Tant to pick up a 0xW in an hour?
You're saying that is in the same league and ballpark? Really?
In your judgement you are prepared to say "forcing a guy to pick up a 0x winner in an hour" really was "the best accomplishment" of any dog in 1996? :rolleyes:

And with Gr Ch Machobuck, you're saying he deserved DOY status for beating "old man Jacobs'" 0x winner in 1:20 also?

Is beating Jacobs an accomplishment?
I know 3 people who have beat Jacobs, 2 of which with my dogs, but that doesn't mean either they (or my dogs) deserve DOY status for beating an old man with a 0x/1xW.

Shouldn't the DOY Designation be for "something more" than beating old men with 0xWs?

Shouldn't the DOY title be about THE VERY BEST FACING THE VERY BEST?

If there aren't Grand Champions versus Grand Champions in that year, shouldn't there at least be Champions beating Champions ... or something great beating something great?

Why else should there be a DOY status?

If 5xWs are going to face 0xWs to earn their 5xW status ... okay, they became 5xWs (and deserve their titles) but do they also deserve DOY status?
Are they even trying to impress, or are they just "wanting to make sure they get 5?"

Hell, even Jack Kelly stipulated that 3 out of the 5 matches had to be against winners/known kennels, precisely so people wouldn't pad their records.

Jack

[Macker]

It's no secret that there have been many many accusations about Jack Kelly and Crenshaw making up reports for the journal. I've heard my fair share of them that's for sure, but like everything in dogs I've heard all sorts of stories and wouldn't know what to believe.

The only time a dog man tells the truth is when he calls another dogman a liar. And the only thing dogmen agree on is that their dogs are the best.

[Officially Retired]

It's no secret that there have been many many accusations about Jack Kelly and Crenshaw making up reports for the journal. I've heard my fair share of them that's for sure, but like everything in dogs I've heard all sorts of stories and wouldn't know what to believe.

The only time a dog man tells the truth is when he calls another dogman a liar. And the only thing dogmen agree on is that their dogs are the best.


Well, that is exactly WHY having a transparent voting system is superior to "an old editor" running a private mag, is it not?

It would be pretty hard for me to sit here and watch person-after-person vote for Titere ... and then give my buddy a DOY title :lol:

Also, to defend the editors a bit, they may really believe the story of the guy on the phone ("Yeah, he beat a 4xW in an hour,") but the dog really beat a 0xW.

Gr Ch Ol School (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38104) supposedly beat a Champion for his last ... but, through the transparency of the internet, his last opponent is believed to have LIED and only had a 0xW.
And didn't the new SDJ award DOY status to some bitch Champion Scratch & Go had that never really won anything?

This is why the idea of throwing it all onto the table, to be debated, is better than just waiting for an editor to make a random decision at the end of the year ...

The DOY title should NOT be one guy's decision IMO, but it should be a general consensus.
It doesn't have to be as unanimous as Titere, but there should be at least an acknowledgement that all the dogs in consideration HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE.

Jack

[MISTER]

As for mayday getting doy I don't think we were not as evolved as we are now. He made a name for himself he did beat quality opposition prior to his 5th. I also think the way he won #5 also swayed folks to agree nd not really question him getting the title. We know him doing all that traveling, keep falling apart etc....

As far as old school goes I know there was a real good bona fide ch that wanted him bad nd old schools owner respectfully declined nd went for another supposed ch instead. Jack it was old schools first win that was said to be a ch but after the dust settled it was learned he faced a 0xw

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As for mayday getting doy I don't think we were not as evolved as we are now. He made a name for himself he did beat quality opposition prior to his 5th. I also think the way he won #5 also swayed folks to agree nd not really question him getting the title. We know him doing all that traveling, keep falling apart etc....

Exactly. What we have available now (transparency/community participation) blows away anything any magazine can offer.

I know Mayday beat some quality dogs prior to his last, but didn't we just say earlier in this thread that "what you did last year" shouldn't affect this year's DOY title?

Mayday is a legit Grand Champion, POR/ROM, and an all-time great dog.

But the question is, should his last win have earned him a DOY title, if we're looking at things as we do today?

I agree, we are definitely more evolved ... which is ultimately going to give more credence to the title of DOY, I think.




As far as old school goes I know there was a real good bona fide ch that wanted him bad nd old schools owner respectfully declined nd went for another supposed ch instead. Jack it was old schools first win that was said to be a ch but after the dust settled it was learned he faced a 0xw

What "supposed Champion" did Old School beat for his last?

Thanks,

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Gr Ch Hank (5xW) :question:

[SHOWBOX]

As is mine.





1. You've listed no exploits.

2. :rolleyes:

For all intents and purposes it was intended as a broad statement addressing ANY and ALL that may be and/or will be listed period. Regardless of WHO is verbally communicating, listing, stating, commenting and/or addressing them. I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong impression regarding them, especially since they're ILLEGAL in the United States.

SHOWBOX

[DUKE_CITY]

I seen one of the hogs old school beat. The hog was taken back out. The hog was a piece of shit. The hog was giving oldie all the work at the end according to the people that was there.

I'm not a hater but that hog was no good comp. They took him back out after he got picked up and they should left him down.

No ability no mouth. The keep was garbage. I can see old school s camp hand picking hogs. No way should he be doy. The comp wasn't stiff enough.

I seen the comp. Most dog men won't feed that bum oddie went into. The all black bum was taken back out into a red and white bum. Oldie might be a good dog but that comp was very suspect.

[DUKE_CITY]

Old school is a well respected dog. But no way shape or form is he doy. He needs to answer the calls of the stiffer hogs that's out there.

Shout out to oldie. Maybe this year he can achieve that title.

Good luck

[EGK]

I thought Ol Skool was dead, hung himself?

[Officially Retired]

For all intents and purposes it was intended as a broad statement addressing ANY and ALL that may be and/or will be listed period. Regardless of WHO is verbally communicating, listing, stating, commenting and/or addressing them. I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong impression regarding them, especially since they're ILLEGAL in the United States.

SHOWBOX

Please spare me all this bullshit. You can give details without saying anything incriminating. If you don't want to write anything, then don't write anything, but don't write stupid shit like this again.

Thanks.

[Officially Retired]

I thought Ol Skool was dead, hung himself?

Amazing that people who can make a 6xW are still too clueless to keep their dogs out of harm's way ... and can't even get the basics of "make sure a dog can't hang itself" under control :rolleyes:

[DUKE_CITY]

I don't know if he's dead or alive. His comp was garbage and plenty hogs was chasing him.

I think he pulled a Makaveli. Lol the comp must really be knocking now. Lmfao

[MISTER]

Old school is dead he died last summer I believe. As for his last IDK honestly. He shouldn't be on the list tho, I saw him in one outting looking around outta hold etc. Yes he was a grch but there are better out there

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

Ch lotto

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45768

Sorry for the peds online link

Admin: Thanks! Amended! :-bd

I have photo's of "L/P Shady Bill" When he was setting on D.Parker's Place in Kiln. Mississippi, I owned 4 off "Shady Bill" .... I'll look up them picture's tonight Jack...I also OWNED LAMAY'S COLA, in that pedigree AND UTE-COLO'S SASHA.

[Clouse]

GR CH GRIP

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GR CH GRIP

Based on ...

[Bromboy]

My choice for males is gr ch tittre