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Officially Retired
09-30-2014, 08:33 AM
How many of you like Cesar Milan?
I think the guy is pretty good myself, but the show is a bit misleading, as if "all" dogs are able to be turned into well-behaved puppies :rolleyes:
I remember "whispering" to dogs long before anyone ever heard of Cesar Milan, lol, and have always been pretty good with dogs. I have seen a few of his shows, and I actually think he's a pretty good guy and really good dog handler overall. Still, the viewer must also realize that what he does is "loaded," in that (if he fucks up), they're just going to say, "CUT, TAKE TWO!", and give another "take" so he can get it right. Thus all you see is the right stuff, not the f***-ups ;)
I remember one episode where he climbed into the cage with a "people-mean" dog and then "instantly" had command of the dog, and proved the dog to be friendly. That shit may work with a stone-cur, but I promise you if he would have tried that with Southern Kennels' Kitana (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=169), they would have to go find another Dog Whisperer :lol:
That bitch was a 54-lb legitimately dangerous animal. The only person on earth she would not flat-out try to kill was her owner Chip. When she was bred to Thunder (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=179) (by Chip and Kenny), it took 4 people to hold her, muzzled, and still she got out of the muzzle and bit one of the dudes pretty bad on the arm. When she was sent to Southside Boyz and Kennel Bros, she ran all of them up onto the tops of their cars :lol:
When I got that bitch sent to me, I had her out of her crate and bred to Poncho (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=2) (by myself) in under an hour ... no one else could do that with Kitana (not even her own owner) ... so I too know how to handle a dog ... but I sure in the fugg wouldn't have crawled in a cage with that bitch the moment I saw her :lol:
So some of the things that guy does might look good "on TV" ... but I assure you that the producers of that show make sure to stack everything in Cesar's favor before they turn on the camera ... AND ... that there is A TON of footage where they had to delete it because his dumb ass either got bit ... or he had to run screaming OUT of certain cages he's crawled into ... because he surely would have had a bad day if he had tried to crawl into a cage like that Kitana :lol:
Jack
ragedog10
09-30-2014, 09:53 AM
I think he gives a lot of people bad ideas and causes them to get bit. Like you said on TV everything looks good the wonders of editing.
scratchin dog
09-30-2014, 10:49 AM
I don't think he is a good dog trainer. I went to one of his seminars many years ago and was not impressed. His pack leader theory sounded good but I just got the feeling it was all theory and his actual training skills were not there. He trains with intimidation and forces dogs to do what he asks. In most of these situations if the dog's owners tried what he does, they would get bit.
There is no way he would be able to train Kitana but I believe this woman could, Dr. Sophia Yin DVM. She is an animal behaviorist and master of behavior modification through counter conditioning and desensitization. Unfortunately she passed away suddenly yesterday and left a huge hole in the dog training world. Here is a link to her site where you can see how she compares her training to that of Cesar Milan. It is clear from the videos near the bottom of the page that her way is much more productive and less stressful to the animal. Some of the video links are missing but there is plenty of info there and on the rest of her site where people can see a huge difference in the way she trains vs the way Cesar trains, and which way is best overall for dogs and their owners.
http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance
wrknapbt
09-30-2014, 11:00 AM
I don't think he is a good dog trainer. I went to one of his seminars many years ago and was not impressed. His pack leader theory sounded good but I just got the feeling it was all theory and his actual training skills were not there. He trains with intimidation and forces dogs to do what he asks. In most of these situations if the dog's owners tried what he does, they would get bit.
There is no way he would be able to train Kitana but I believe this woman could, Dr. Sophia Yin DVM. She is an animal behaviorist and master of behavior modification through counter conditioning and desensitization. Unfortunately she passed away suddenly yesterday and left a huge hole in the dog training world. Here is a link to her site where you can see how she compares her training to that of Cesar Milan. It is clear from the videos near the bottom of the page that her way is much more productive and less stressful to the animal. Some of the video links are missing but there is plenty of info there and on the rest of her site where people can see a huge difference in the way she trains vs the way Cesar trains, and which way is best overall for dogs and their owners.
http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance
If I'm not mistaken She just passed away a few days ago. He is no trainer hell our house dog would put his skills to the test. If he sees another dog and you touch or kick him he will get amped fast. He is not very clear in his approach to training. It leaves the dogs confused about what they are supposed to do. I myself start in a closed off area with no distraction to be sure the dog knows what I am asking and then I move closer and closer to the distractions. I have never given a correction for dog aggression either. I've only given corrections for not doing a proofed command.
Only thing that bothers me is that he's giving the public a wrong image of pitbulls. For us the difference is very clear but for the majority they associate a bully or show stafford with an apbt because of that crap.
"Now for this problem im going to introduce my pitbull daddy."
Really hate those people who think a bulldogs dog agression is something the owner is responsible for. People base that shit on these type of shows they've seen.
Only thing that bothers me is that he's giving the public a wrong image of pitbulls. For us the difference is very clear but for the majority they associate a bully or show stafford with an apbt because of that crap.
"Now for this problem im going to introduce my pitbull daddy."
Really hate those people who think a bulldogs dog agression is something the owner is responsible for. People base that shit on these type of shows they've seen.
Agree
Eh... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxImB7UQPG8
ragedog10
09-30-2014, 07:18 PM
How many of you like Cesar Milan?
I think the guy is pretty good myself, but the show is a bit misleading, as if "all" dogs are able to be turned into well-behaved puppies :rolleyes:
I remember "whispering" to dogs long before anyone ever heard of Cesar Milan, lol, and have always been pretty good with dogs. I have seen a few of his shows, and I actually think he's a pretty good guy and really good dog handler overall. Still, the viewer must also realize that what he does is "loaded," in that (if he fucks up), they're just going to say, "CUT, TAKE TWO!", and give another "take" so he can get it right. Thus all you see is the right stuff, not the f***-ups ;)
I remember one episode where he climbed into the cage with a "people-mean" dog and then "instantly" had command of the dog, and proved the dog to be friendly. That shit may work with a stone-cur, but I promise you if he would have tried that with Southern Kennels' Kitana (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=169), they would have to go find another Dog Whisperer :lol:
That bitch was a 54-lb legitimately dangerous animal. The only person on earth she would not flat-out try to kill was her owner Chip. When she was bred to Thunder (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=179) (by Chip and Kenny), it took 4 people to hold her, muzzled, and still she got out of the muzzle and bit one of the dudes pretty bad on the arm. When she was sent to Southside Boyz and Kennel Bros, she ran all of them up onto the tops of their cars :lol:
When I got that bitch sent to me, I had her out of her crate and bred to Poncho (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=2) (by myself) in under an hour ... no one else could do that with Kitana (not even her own owner) ... so I too know how to handle a dog ... but I sure in the fugg wouldn't have crawled in a cage with that bitch the moment I saw her :lol:
So some of the things that guy does might look good "on TV" ... but I assure you that the producers of that show make sure to stack everything in Cesar's favor before they turn on the camera ... AND ... that there is A TON of footage where they had to delete it because his dumb ass either got bit ... or he had to run screaming OUT of certain cages he's crawled into ... because he surely would have had a bad day if he had tried to crawl into a cage like that Kitana :lol:
Jack
Is this the same bitch that you said gave you the fight of your life by hanging onto your skull and hitting you in your gut?
Officially Retired
09-30-2014, 08:11 PM
Is this the same bitch that you said gave you the fight of your life by hanging onto your skull and hitting you in your gut?
Yep.
She could have taken my life, were it not for a bit of luck and some awfully-fast reflexes.
She was on pups, and only let me or Chip near them. We were the only ones she would let get near anything pretty much.
Well, one of her pups crawled out of the pen and under a dresser and was crying terribly. Chip was at the store, and Leon and I were tending to a bunch of dogs, when I heard the shrieking pup. I went inside, saw it was stuck under some furniture, and got on my hands and knees to get the pup ... and Kitana went for me as I was stretching to get the pup. Grabbed my head. Had she grabbed the side of my neck, I wouldn't be writing this now.
At that point I was thinking, "What a stupid fogging dog," and as I stood up, she slipped off by noggin, and I smacked her--and she snatched at my hand and nipped my finger. I had forgotten she was people-mean because she liked me (or so I thought), but it was a whole different deal on pups.
I stepped back bleeding like crazy off the top of my head, and scolded her as I tried to back out of the room. It was then that she went for my gut, but I sprawled, grabbed her scruff, and pile-drove her chin onto the carpet, spun her around in a flash, and snatched her up had her in control. Took her outside, told Leon to open a crate, and tossed the bitch in. (Never seen anyone shut a crate faster I'll bet, lol).
Then I dog-stapled my head and went about my business ...
I was used to handling my own bitches with pups, and did not expect her to go off on me like that, after she got used to me. Live and learn ... and glad I lived :lol:
Jack
Officially Retired
09-30-2014, 09:16 PM
I don't think he is a good dog trainer. I went to one of his seminars many years ago and was not impressed. His pack leader theory sounded good but I just got the feeling it was all theory and his actual training skills were not there. He trains with intimidation and forces dogs to do what he asks. In most of these situations if the dog's owners tried what he does, they would get bit.
There is no way he would be able to train Kitana but I believe this woman could, Dr. Sophia Yin DVM. She is an animal behaviorist and master of behavior modification through counter conditioning and desensitization. Unfortunately she passed away suddenly yesterday and left a huge hole in the dog training world. Here is a link to her site where you can see how she compares her training to that of Cesar Milan. It is clear from the videos near the bottom of the page that her way is much more productive and less stressful to the animal. Some of the video links are missing but there is plenty of info there and on the rest of her site where people can see a huge difference in the way she trains vs the way Cesar trains, and which way is best overall for dogs and their owners.
http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance
I don't have a set "way" to handle dogs, I just like dogs and dogs tend to just like me.
I think dogs automatically "know" their owner is the boss ... but not so with strangers.
I like some of the things Cesar does, but this whole "pack leader" thing I find annoying. Most dogs simply want to please you. And so all you have to do is praise them by voice, or scold them by voice, and they "get it" (if you start young).
But there are arrogant dogs, shy dogs, and dangerous dogs that throw you a curve ball. A dog like Kitana, that grows up all alone on a chain, with a naturally super-aggressive disposition is always going to be a dangerous dog. I don't care "who" is handling this bitch, as an already-mean adult, Kitana will NEVER be a trustworthy animal with kids, animals, or strangers. NEVER. Period.
Maybe if she were socialized and acclimated as a puppy, but no way are you going to have some woman "train her" after Kitana got set in her ways ... and then think you can turn your back on Kitana in a home full of children, guests, and strangers. Not gonna happen.
Jack
KAIRO
09-30-2014, 11:16 PM
He will have show in my country in few days (Croatia) south east europe. I think he kills dog carracter, man if the dog is bulldog let him be bulldog, don't kill that in him, if a dog is terrier, don't kill that in him.
He has good things in his show but many of them are just against dogs nature!!
Officially Retired
09-30-2014, 11:20 PM
Punishing a pit bull for being "dog-aggressive" is like kicking a cat for going after a mouse.
If a person doesn't want a dog-aggressive dog, then he should not select a combat dog for a pet :-O
KAIRO
09-30-2014, 11:53 PM
:-bd:-bd:-bd
tasoschatz
10-01-2014, 12:56 AM
What I do not like about him is the impression he spreads that his methods can make any dog co-exist with other dogs. And if they can not then they are dangerous animals, untrainable etc etc. If I walk with my pet dog and I try this light kick of his in the side area he does, then the same funs of his show will accuse me of misbehaving.
Macker
10-01-2014, 03:56 AM
The question on the poll is "is Cesar Milan truly good with dogs?" In my opinion the answer has to be Yes him personally is good with dogs, what he preaches may be dangerous as he spreads false hope in a lot of cases but he like everybody else has to earn a living.
skipper
10-01-2014, 04:35 AM
This is how i see it. There is dogs, and then there is gamedogs. You can't even compare the two. Sure gamedogs are also dogs, but there is a big difference. We are constantly fighting nature with these dogs. Soon as we stop selecting and breeding for the traits we look for nature turns them into regular dogs. Just like the amstaff are today. I'm sure Ceasar is great with dogs. But he don't even know what a gamedog is.
ragedog10
10-01-2014, 06:09 AM
Yep.
She could have taken my life, were it not for a bit of luck and some awfully-fast reflexes.
She was on pups, and only let me or Chip near them. We were the only ones she would let get near anything pretty much.
Well, one of her pups crawled out of the pen and under a dresser and was crying terribly. Chip was at the store, and Leon and I were tending to a bunch of dogs, when I heard the shrieking pup. I went inside, saw it was stuck under some furniture, and got on my hands and knees to get the pup ... and Kitana went for me as I was stretching to get the pup. Grabbed my head. Had she grabbed the side of my neck, I wouldn't be writing this now.
At that point I was thinking, "What a stupid fogging dog," and as I stood up, she slipped off by noggin, and I smacked her--and she snatched at my hand and nipped my finger. I had forgotten she was people-mean because she liked me (or so I thought), but it was a whole different deal on pups.
I stepped back bleeding like crazy off the top of my head, and scolded her as I tried to back out of the room. It was then that she went for my gut, but I sprawled, grabbed her scruff, and pile-drove her chin onto the carpet, spun her around in a flash, and snatched her up had her in control. Took her outside, told Leon to open a crate, and tossed the bitch in. (Never seen anyone shut a crate faster I'll bet, lol).
Then I dog-stapled my head and went about my business ...
I was used to handling my own bitches with pups, and did not expect her to go off on me like that, after she got used to me. Live and learn ... and glad I lived :lol:
Jack
That has got to make one think is she really worth it! Good thing is your alive all to often people dont think a dog can take someones life!
ragedog10
10-01-2014, 06:18 AM
The question on the poll is "is Cesar Milan truly good with dogs?" In my opinion the answer has to be Yes him personally is good with dogs, what he preaches may be dangerous as he spreads false hope in a lot of cases but he like everybody else has to earn a living.
I would say the drama " A dangerous dog" makes for great T,V! Thats why every person on here can say,yes or no to the question!
That is a wild story about Kitana, big powerful bitch like that could sure mess up someone's day!
I have a bitch like that to, she doesn't discriminate everything other than us might as well be another bulldog, including any object she isn't used to seeing regularly.
When the litter of her was born I had to start weaning and separating around 4 weeks. One bitch pup would attack her mother when she was brought back in the pen to feed them. That bitch would get so worked up she couldn't breathe, she actually passed at 6 weeks old after an episode.
Anyway, as this bitch matured and hit 2 years old we moved, a buddy was helping move dogs. He got her off her chain and placed her in a kennel. When we returned for her she wouldn't let him in that kennel, she had fire in her eyes and was ramming the kennel with her muzzle to get at him.
She has never let anyone else near her since that day. I tried ol Cesar's techniques on her, but walking down the road proved to be a challenge, as she sees passing vehicles as bulldogs as well! :shocked:
I'd bet the farm that man couldn't shush this bitch into submission!
S_B
Officially Retired
10-01-2014, 09:53 AM
The question on the poll is "is Cesar Milan truly good with dogs?" In my opinion the answer has to be Yes him personally is good with dogs, what he preaches may be dangerous as he spreads false hope in a lot of cases but he like everybody else has to earn a living.
Then you and I are the only two who have voted for him. I think he does have a way with dogs, but I think the people who "need him" do not.
Therefore, I too think a large percentage of the dogs he "fixes" (on TV) go right back to doing whatever it is they did without "him" being there.
And that is the fear with a dog like Kitana. There are just some dogs that you don't leave alone with kids.
My Missy bitch (Poncho's sister), I guarantee, would give Kitana all she could ever hope to handle, and then some (if they were the same weight) ... but the difference is there was not a drop of malice in Missy. She was simply a sweet dog BY NATURE. You could put babies next to her, children, puppies, she was as sweet as sweet could be ...
But as soon as you stepped over a piece of plywood and faced her toward another adult female, she was bad to the bone and game to the core.
You can't "train" GAME into a dog ... nor can you "train" a BAD NATURE out of a dog ...
Some dogs, like some people, simply are not nice by nature.
They'll get you if they see the opportunity. That is their nature.
Jack
Officially Retired
10-01-2014, 10:07 AM
That has got to make one think is she really worth it! Good thing is your alive all to often people dont think a dog can take someones life!
Oh, she could definitely have taken my life. Like I said, if she would have grabbed the side of my neck, she would not have slipped off, and I would have bled out quickly. (Makes me freeze up thinking about that.)
As far as that being a sign of how "worth it" Kitana was, she just wasn't my dog to shoot. She was also sick at the time, on pups, and her pups were sick because she had bad milk. So I am sure Kitana wasn't feeling well. She was distressed, her pups were distressed, and she saw "me" (the only stranger she wouldn't try to kill) "cross the line" and go toward one of her sick, screaming pups. I am sure it was an overload for her sick, angry-mama brain to see ... so she went for me.
To everything but her owner (and, for a time, me) Kitana was a vicious animal. However, against other dogs she was only a fair-ability dog for her weight. She did break one bitch's backend pretty bad ... but she also had to be picked up to a bitch for running out of gas ... so it wasn't like Kitana was an ace. She was ruthless, but she didn't have very good air. Speaking of air, and truly badass bitches, Wild Red Rose (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=674) spotted the same bitch who had Kitana picked up several pounds of weight, weathered an early storm, and not only stopped that big bitch, but broke her friggen leg too.
Rosey was a slow starter, but she had TIRELESS STAMINA, INCREDIBLE body strength, and when she got going she was a WALL of a dog who would get you sooner or later, it didn't matter how long it took. People don't realize that Rosey is behind just about every Champion Kitana is behind ... and a whole lot more Champions Kitana is not behind ... from less breedings and less pups too (as Rosey died from cancer at 5). And like Missy, Rosey too was a sweet, sweet dog with people and puppies.
Honestly, I would take Rosey back all-day, every-day, before I would take Kitana.
Jack
Officially Retired
10-01-2014, 10:30 AM
I'd bet the farm that man couldn't shush this bitch into submission!
S_B
:lol:
I think he is good with dogs. Most of the things he does work, but they are 'briefed' to fit into a 30 minute slot. I also believe anything that goes wrong gets a "Cut, take Two" just as Jack said.
Remember on TV we are solving lifelong mysteries in 30 minutes as well. It is TV.
As far as man dogs and man biters we had Fila Brasileiros for a number of years. When they are correct they are the sweetest, 100LB plus lap dogs but to a stranger they are a hell unleashed. They have been turned into a show dog over the years and a lot of that correctness has been lost, but replaced with a defensive driven territorial, front mouth biting fear biter. Sad demise for such a noble creature.
With that said, and a little off topic, at a bite work session I put on a bite suit and took hits from different breeds. The first was a 80lb. Malinois. He hit hard with a lot of speed and the bite felt hard. The next was a Fila. The intensity was incredible, the bite was hard, but the dog used his weight (140lbs) to pull a person in for a re-bite. Then a 40lb. pit bull. The speed over 15 yards was impressive and the bite was phenomenal. The next was with a 90lb. American Bulldog. The speed was close to the pitbull, the bite was close and the impact knocked me off my feet.
Back to the topic, three of the dogs were trained. It was a game. They went from killers to sp
to spastic puppies for a tennis ball. Three of these dogs were trained from puppyhood to adult hood to be this way. They are driven and this drive can be re-directed (which Caesar is really good at). The Fila has a natural bad disposition to strangers and it can be hidden with training and socialization but it can't be removed. The Dog Whisperer show makes one believe all the dogs can be fixed and this is simply not true.
I think he is a good trainer. I enjoy the show. EWO
I think he is good with dogs. Most of the things he does work, but they are 'briefed' to fit into a 30 minute slot. I also believe anything that goes wrong gets a "Cut, take Two" just as Jack said.
Remember on TV we are solving lifelong mysteries in 30 minutes as well. It is TV.
As far as man dogs and man biters we had Fila Brasileiros for a number of years. When they are correct they are the sweetest, 100LB plus lap dogs but to a stranger they are a hell unleashed. They have been turned into a show dog over the years and a lot of that correctness has been lost, but replaced with a defensive driven territorial, front mouth biting fear biter. Sad demise for such a noble creature.
With that said, and a little off topic, at a bite work session I put on a bite suit and took hits from different breeds. The first was a 80lb. Malinois. He hit hard with a lot of speed and the bite felt hard. The next was a Fila. The intensity was incredible, the bite was hard, but the dog used his weight (140lbs) to pull a person in for a re-bite. Then a 40lb. pit bull. The speed over 15 yards was impressive and the bite was phenomenal. The next was with a 90lb. American Bulldog. The speed was close to the pitbull, the bite was close and the impact knocked me off my feet.
Back to the topic, three of the dogs were trained. It was a game. They went from killers to sp
ragedog10
10-02-2014, 10:32 PM
Oh, she could definitely have taken my life. Like I said, if she would have grabbed the side of my neck, she would not have slipped off, and I would have bled out quickly. (Makes me freeze up thinking about that.)
As far as that being a sign of how "worth it" Kitana was, she just wasn't my dog to shoot. She was also sick at the time, on pups, and her pups were sick because she had bad milk. So I am sure Kitana wasn't feeling well. She was distressed, her pups were distressed, and she saw "me" (the only stranger she wouldn't try to kill) "cross the line" and go toward one of her sick, screaming pups. I am sure it was an overload for her sick, angry-mama brain to see ... so she went for me.
To everything but her owner (and, for a time, me) Kitana was a vicious animal. However, against other dogs she was only a fair-ability dog for her weight. She did break one bitch's backend pretty bad ... but she also had to be picked up to a bitch for running out of gas ... so it wasn't like Kitana was an ace. She was ruthless, but she didn't have very good air. Speaking of air, and truly badass bitches, Wild Red Rose (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=674) spotted the same bitch who had Kitana picked up several pounds of weight, weathered an early storm, and not only stopped that big bitch, but broke her friggen leg too.
Rosey was a slow starter, but she had TIRELESS STAMINA, INCREDIBLE body strength, and when she got going she was a WALL of a dog who would get you sooner or later, it didn't matter how long it took. People don't realize that Rosey is behind just about every Champion Kitana is behind ... and a whole lot more Champions Kitana is not behind ... from less breedings and less pups too (as Rosey died from cancer at 5). And like Missy, Rosey too was a sweet, sweet dog with people and puppies.
Honestly, I would take Rosey back all-day, every-day, before I would take Kitana.
Jack
I have one that is a man killer she was fine up until her first litter of pups,after that she would wag her tell and lead one to belive everything is fine then nail you! It cost one uncle the tip of his digit. Now he was warned she is not to be approached for any reason,b.u.t as he himself is great with dog he fall for the wagging tail!
He got lucky as this bitch will hit you up high arm pit or grone.she is great with everyone inside the family but outside of that she's scratching to win!
I happen to like some of the tools ceaser use the shush thing i use to break her focus off other humans it only work till they move or speak! And i also make her lye still around my three year old now will i ever trust her alone with her? Excuse my french but FUCKS NO, I just think that as a owner of a human aggressive dog you should never allow that gaurd down.
When im away from home she is locked in a steel cage like the ones you see at the zoo to transporte lions and bears in! Do i think Ceaser could help her not in a life time thats just wow she is my lil evol priness! Love his show and really like the one when that lab lit into his ass and they said his blue dog or Daddy were the ones that would bite someone!
Do i agree with a pack of pitbulls? Hell NO, b.u.t I have yet to see him hurt by his pitbulls. Yes they get into it with each other as they should it's part of their breed nature!
ragedog10
10-02-2014, 10:59 PM
Also did Kitana throw pups like herself (man eaters)?
With our bitch we are very careful as to the temperment of the studs we put her under. Her offspring are very loving all except one, whom I think should have gotten A lot more attention. He can be very ruff at times and very protective when on the chain! Now Ceaser for sure can work with him as
jawman
10-03-2014, 07:50 AM
Punishing a pit bull for being "dog-aggressive" is like kicking a cat for going after a mouse.
If a person doesn't want a dog-aggressive dog, then he should not select a combat dog for a pet :-O
so true :-bd
BigEazy
10-03-2014, 05:41 PM
Yes, he is great with animals. If you would pay attention to details, he states that it's the bully breeds. He feels that it's the bullies that also attack people. They rehab the dogs that are successful during the rehabilitation process.
Officially Retired
10-04-2014, 10:45 AM
Also did Kitana throw pups like herself (man eaters)?
With our bitch we are very careful as to the temperment of the studs we put her under. Her offspring are very loving all except one, whom I think should have gotten A lot more attention. He can be very ruff at times and very protective when on the chain! Now Ceaser for sure can work with him as
She did throw a few that were suspicious of strangers, but none that was a straight killer like herself.
My dogs are typically just friendly period (although some Coki dogs would go ballistic after children). Bandana would straight go apeshit at a kid, like it was a dog.
Poncho and all his sisters were absolutely wonderful with children, puppies, young dogs, and all my bitches were totally cool with me (and girlfriends) handling their pups.
Many of my bitches would try to nurse another bitch's pups.
Really don't like super-agressive dogs at all ... and never seen one that I really liked either. With one exception: Stormbringer. He was dangerous if you gave him a bone. Other than that, very nice-tempered animal.
Jack
Officially Retired
11-09-2014, 07:55 AM
This Video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152902693393287) makes Cesar look like an idiot, IMO.
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CrazyRed
11-10-2014, 05:13 AM
This Video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152902693393287) makes Cesar look like an idiot, IMO.
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That Ninja Jedi stance is the greatest pose I ever seen on video.
Officially Retired
11-10-2014, 04:39 PM
:lol:
I think being an 'idiot' is part of making things work on television. If it were just straight forward information on dogs the section of viewers would just be dog people, with dog problems, and usually would only tine in if their particular breed was being aired. A lot like the Dogs 101 show on the Animal Planet. Add some idiocy and some personality and the entertainment value goes up.
At some point it is a balancing act between training dogs and staying on television, and we can all accurately figure out which one pays the most.
But the pose does lean toward him being an idiot. EWO
There was a show on last year called Alpha dogs. These guys train service dogs, i.e, police/military/drug/bomb dogs. I liked it a lot. It was targeted to a specific audience who in the big picture, is relatively small. I liked the show and wish it would have stayed 100% about the dogs, which for me would have been great, but again, that would have lessened the viewers. In order to add entertainment value, they used the relationship crap between the father and son, the building of a bar, motorcycles, and used a band, etc. etc. That was all to add to the entertainment value and widen the audience. No offense to them but I didn't really care for all that, just get back to the dogs.
The Dog Whisperer is that way as well. The show is about correcting certain dog behaviors but the 'idiocy' and entertainment effort make it hard to watch at times. EWO
Officially Retired
11-11-2014, 04:03 AM
Interesting commentary.
Some of what he does is good, but most of it is obvious to me. Like one group had their dog peeing on the floor every time they came home. The dog was so excited it peed. Well, the idiot-people would always go right up to the dog and go, "Ohhh, foo-fooooo!", which would excite the dog even more, making sure to get an extra pint of urine out of it :lol:
Did they really need Cesar to "show them" that just freaking ignoring the dog for 5 min, till it calmed down and didn't pee from excitement anymore, was an effective strategy? :rolleyes:
I guess so (:|
Here, in this case, Cesar did everything he could to "provoke a bite" out of the dog ... I don't think the dog would have even growled at him, had he just sat there within a reasonable distance of the animal. I think there are normally-friendly dogs that would have bit his ass, and gotten agitated, by some stranger acting like that, right in front of them, while they're eating ... and he would have lost his life trying to do that shit with Stormbringer.
Jack
Agreed. Lots of times the problem solving is so simple you wonder why the people even have a dog as they may be more suited for a house plant. The excitement pee-ing is a perfect example.
It's a great topic for a TV show but in the end it is still a TV show. I think that is the short coming.
I too have seen episodes where he deserved to get bit whether he did or didn't.
I sometimes cheer for it to happen, like score one for the dogs giving a re-re what he asked for.
Somewhat off-topic but I believe people deserve what they get when they yearn for it, both good and bad. The guy being eaten by the snake, if his suit malfunctions, or something goes wrong and he dies, with the subtle touch of the thumb, I will change channels and call him a dumbass. Same with Caesar. EWO
Macker
11-12-2014, 08:53 AM
Agreed. Lots of times the problem solving is so simple you wonder why the people even have a dog as they may be more suited for a house plant. The excitement pee-ing is a perfect example.
It's a great topic for a TV show but in the end it is still a TV show. I think that is the short coming.
I too have seen episodes where he deserved to get bit whether he did or didn't.
I sometimes cheer for it to happen, like score one for the dogs giving a re-re what he asked for.
Somewhat off-topic but I believe people deserve what they get when they yearn for it, both good and bad. The guy being eaten by the snake, if his suit malfunctions, or something goes wrong and he dies, with the subtle touch of the thumb, I will change channels and call him a dumbass. Same with Caesar. EWO
Lol just seen an article about the snake guy, before that I didn't know what you where talking about. That's funny lol
CrazyRed
11-12-2014, 10:48 AM
There was a show on last year called Alpha dogs. These guys train service dogs, i.e, police/military/drug/bomb dogs. I liked it a lot. It was targeted to a specific audience who in the big picture, is relatively small. I liked the show and wish it would have stayed 100% about the dogs, which for me would have been great, but again, that would have lessened the viewers. In order to add entertainment value, they used the relationship crap between the father and son, the building of a bar, motorcycles, and used a band, etc. etc. That was all to add to the entertainment value and widen the audience. No offense to them but I didn't really care for all that, just get back to the dogs.
The Dog Whisperer is that way as well. The show is about correcting certain dog behaviors but the 'idiocy' and entertainment effort make it hard to watch at times. EWO
What happened to that show?? I loved it, every week it was intense, last episode I seen was the competition and the girl got bit by her own dog. Then out of nowhere it disappeared off the air, are they coming back for another season?
No idea. Without Googling it, I would guess no. The audience had to be pretty small, but I said the same thing about Honey Boo Boo. Without the addition of a convicted child molester that crap would have been renewed and continued to send the boob-tube to all new lows. So there is at least a glimmer of hope for the Alpha dogs.
I am looking forward to the new dog show with the returning soldiers with PTSD. Hopefully it will be good. I was once diagnosed with PTSD, later down graded to "hyper-vigilance". I really feel for the young men and women who are returning home with the 'war still on their minds'. From personal experience, it is rough, and very seldom goes completely away. Big props to the show, the ideas behind it and the people who have made it happen. I wish them the best of luck.
EWO
I think being an 'idiot' is part of making things work on television.
bingo
skip11
10-24-2016, 11:00 PM
I like Cesar, even though I don't agree with everything that he does. I think he's energy and the way he is around dogs is a great thing for any owners to imitate. Now his methods, some I agree with, some I don't. I also don't like how all of his dogs seem to don't have any personality. All of em are "calm and submissive". I think it's good but dogs should be allowed to get excited as well.
i think he is good with the dogs he runs to most of the time but this is grate Showdown with Holly | Dog Whisperer on you tub i can't figure out how to post the link
CrazyRed
10-27-2016, 09:43 AM
i think he is good with the dogs he runs to most of the time but this is grate Showdown with Holly | Dog Whisperer on you tub i can't figure out how to post the link
Is that the one that bites him and he turns into Jedi mode with his ninja stance?