dog cant work

[bently]

what will you do with a dog that cant work; in other words you cant put him into any shape. he can race but cant be conditioned

[Officially Retired]

How good is his natural air?

You can't walk him, dragging weight?

[ragedog10]

I hand walked and fed real good. Also the dog had to have great natural air, hand walking for the 6-8 wks is very time consuming. Yis Ole Mam

[Nut]

every dog can be worked some way.

[SFOD]

your right nut all dogs can be worked , it's just a matter of finding what they like to do. I have never known a dog that wouldnt walk .

[Nut]

dito or bike.

[bently]

he cant run. when he tries to run he falls on his face

[Officially Retired]

Huh?

Post a video clip.

How in the hell can such a thing happen ... and how in the hell can such a dog fight anyway?

This has to be a setup for a joke :lol:

[SFOD]

is this an elderly dog? has he been to the vet for a diagnosis ? what type of spot do you have him in? stroke , heavy metal poisioning ? It sounds as if his quality of life is not so good , if thats the case why is he still here?

[Officially Retired]

Or, more importantly, why on earth would you be thinking of "matching" a dog that can't even freaking run???

[ragedog10]

What the hell lol.

[Pit Bull Committed]

There's always a way to work a dog. This particular dog sounds like it's not his personality that it's difficult to condition him but more so of his physical condition that's an issue. Best of luck to you! Never had a dog that just falls flat on its face just by trying to run! What you described sounds like one of those super deform bully.

[bently]

will post a vid today

[bently]

he is 6 months. he was on a chain setup but have been keeping in in crate for bout 2 months now. a little deformed. but he got into a kennel accident with another older male and when i came out , the pup was mopping the floor with the other hound and i quickly picked them both up at the same time and they seperated (hellava handle) lol. but i will post a vid

[Pit Bull Committed]

Buddy, if I were you I won't even be thinking about working him yet. He's only 6 month old and was recently involved in an accident... Just let him rest/heal up and mature before you even start to work him. I'm sure if you let him heal up and mature you won't have any issues working him. Also you shouldn't keep him in a crate as his main stay. Just my 2 cents.

[bently]

Buddy, if I were you I won't even be thinking about working him yet. He's only 6 month old and was recently involved in an accident... Just let him rest/heal up and mature before you even start to work him. I'm sure if you let him heal up and mature you won't have any issues working him. Also you shouldn't keep him in a crate as his main stay. Just my 2 cents.

when i say work i mean just walking him in general. letting him off the chain to run around, ect. he was in a yard accident about 5 weeks ago, he is fine.

[Eliman]

There is nothing wrong with a little light work with a young dog to socialize it with the equipment and how to use it it does wonders. If the dog wans't hurt in the accident then i don't understand why mentioning it was useful if he was hurt and its been 5 weeks then there could have been damage to a tendon or musle that has not healed all the way, or was permanently damaged. I usally wont work a dog none until atleast 2 to 3 months after a hunt. JMO

Keeping dogs in a crate can also lead to growth problems...

[bently]

There is nothing wrong with a little light work with a young dog to socialize it with the equipment and how to use it it does wonders. If the dog wans't hurt in the accident then i don't understand why mentioning it was useful if he was hurt and its been 5 weeks then there could have been damage to a tendon or musle that has not healed all the way, or was permanently damaged. I usally wont work a dog none until atleast 2 to 3 months after a hunt. JMO

Keeping dogs in a crate can also lead to growth problems...

the reason i mentioned it was becuase jack said "How in the hell can such a thing happen ... and how in the hell can such a dog fight anyway?" just so happen he had a yard accident earlier last month.

he could not walk well as a young pup, he was always very slow and made it look like it was painful to walk. i would let all of the pups out in yard to run around and he would just stay by me, and go off in his own direction. if another pup would bumb him while running he would fall over and just mind his business.

Jack this is the same pup i posted about the bone deformatity problem. he walks slow, cant run, falls on his face, after a 20 min walk his body just completely goes out and he needs to lay down fror a while to recover.....to many problems with this hound, the only reason i am keeping him and holding on to him until he is adult because of the way he bred and is worth a lot of money, so mabey as he matures and his body fills out it might change. but as of right now i try to socialize him because he is shy and doesnt know anything. so i try to spend time with him and gain his trust,.

[Pit Bull Committed]

Wish you the best bently! Seems like that pup has had a lot of issues. I personally wouldn't keep a dog just because of how it's bred. This is just me though...not trying to start a debate.

[Eliman]

Didn't mean nothing by my post its just hard for anyone to answer your questions without the facts more then likely the hound will not recover but i respect you for giving it a chance. When working a dog with a defect like you talk about the risk of injuring it further is high there is no way i can think of besides a swim tank that would be beneficial to the hound and im not 100% that it wont injure itself there. Best of luck

[bently]

Wish you the best bently! Seems like that pup has had a lot of issues. I personally wouldn't keep a dog just because of how it's bred. This is just me though...not trying to start a debate.

dont get me wrong i have always been hard my dogs and kept a very high standard, which is why i have such a small yard. and as far as this pup goes if he didnt show me what he did in the yard accident i was going to get rid of him, but i just a gut feeling that is telling me not to get rid of the dog.

[Pit Bull Committed]

dont get me wrong i have always been hard my dogs and kept a very high standard, which is why i have such a small yard. and as far as this pup goes if he didnt show me what he did in the yard accident i was going to get rid of him, but i just a gut feeling that is telling me not to get rid of the dog.
Go with what your gut instinct tells you buddy. All you got to lose if he don't work out is time and money. :) Best of luck! I really hope he recovers and become an outstanding bulldog

[Officially Retired]

dont get me wrong i have always been hard my dogs and kept a very high standard, which is why i have such a small yard. and as far as this pup goes if he didnt show me what he did in the yard accident i was going to get rid of him, but i just a gut feeling that is telling me not to get rid of the dog.

Are you kidding me?

You have the lowest standards I have ever heard of ... on yourself ... and how YOU conduct your business as a dogman :idea:

You are the textbook definition of "worst thing that could ever happen to a dog" ...





Jack this is the same pup i posted about the bone deformatity problem. he walks slow, cant run, falls on his face, after a 20 min walk his body just completely goes out and he needs to lay down fror a while to recover.....to many problems with this hound, the only reason i am keeping him and holding on to him until he is adult because of the way he bred and is worth a lot of money, so mabey as he matures and his body fills out it might change. but as of right now i try to socialize him because he is shy and doesnt know anything. so i try to spend time with him and gain his trust,.

Okay, so you're trying to socialize him (I guess), but I am just curious, do you do anything else right with your dogs?

You keep them in crates till they're deformed; then you put them on ramshackle chain setups that are so embarrassing you delete the photos of them ...
AND that they escape from (and get in yard accidents because of), etc.? (You remember I predicted that?)

Now you're talking about putting them in a keep before he's 7 months old ... when he can't even walk straight ... or before the scabs have even fallen off from a kennel fiasco ... and you have the audacity to say YOU have "high standards?" :confused:

Buddy, lift your head up and look in the mirror so you can see straight: you're a poster child for "the perpetual fuck-up" in dogs :embarrassed: :rolleyes:

There is nothing "high" about your standards in ANYthing that I have either seen, or read about. Nothing.

So I am curious, have you every thought about doing everything RIGHT instead of doing everything wrong?

You might be surprised at how much better your dogs do ... some might even make it to old age on your yard.

Jack

[ragedog10]

Have to agree , i remember now the dog has rickets from being crated all day. Put the dog down and end its misery the way you describe the dog it doesnt sound valueable at all. Keeping him alive is cruel if you ask me do the right thing its sounds like the dog has permanent damage from being couped up. Yis Ole Man

[bently]

Are you kidding me?

You have the lowest standards I have ever heard of ... on yourself ... and how YOU conduct your business as a dogman :idea:

You are the textbook definition of "worst thing that could ever happen to a dog" ...







Okay, so you're trying to socialize him (I guess), but I am just curious, do you do anything else right with your dogs?

You keep them in crates till they're deformed; then you put them on ramshackle chain setups that are so embarrassing you delete the photos of them ...
AND that they escape from (and get in yard accidents because of), etc.? (You remember I predicted that?)

Now you're talking about putting them in a keep before he's 7 months old ... when he can't even walk straight ... or before the scabs have even fallen off from a kennel fiasco ... and you have the audacity to say YOU have "high standards?" :confused:

Buddy, lift your head up and look in the mirror so you can see straight: you're a poster child for "the perpetual fuck-up" in dogs :embarrassed: :rolleyes:

There is nothing "high" about your standards in ANYthing that I have either seen, or read about. Nothing.

So I am curious, have you every thought about doing everything RIGHT instead of doing everything wrong?

You might be surprised at how much better your dogs do ... some might even make it to old age on your yard.

Jack

When the hell did i say i was putting a pup into a keep?

and since u take it their jack WE ALL REMEMBER PONCHO IN THAT SHIT SETUP WITH THAT DIRTY ASS TRANSPORTATION CRATE. and then u critisize my settup because you said it had a "large hole in the opening" and "bricks on the side to keep it stable" gtf out of here jack. HOW BIG WAS THAT OPENING OF PONCHO CRATE AND WT ABOUT HIS BRICKS ON THE SIDE OF HIS SHT CRATE. LETS ALL REMEMMBER WHERE WE CAME FROM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noj7EgiKAZ0

"My dogs Get the best feed possible, walked daily, and no dogs are in crates unless they are injured ""

I can post a pic of him right now and who wont be able to see any visible scars dumb ass.

U go on and on ranting about conditions and shit you have no control over. U think that because u took many ideas from other people and pasted them on a paper and made a book that you are this ultimate "breeder", for christ you wasnt shit as a competitor, yes poncho thorugh a pretty good percentage and his offspring did decent, HOW MANY DID YOU ACTUALY CAMPAIGN YOUR DAMN SELF?

[bently]

and i never kept a pup in a crate his whole life. He is in with me for most of the day, and when it times for bed he is put into crate

[bently]

ok

[CYJ]

Bently, this dog is badly deformed in the front end, for what ever reasons. That dog can not take any serious work. My brother many years back had a little black/white bitch bred off Tramp Red Boy x W. Martin's lady.

This bitch was well built and could mop up the floor with anything her size. When trying to work her in a pre keep. She showed to have a bad joint in her back leg or what is called a gimp leg. Was of no avail what ever we tried, the defect was inherited. We did not breed her but used her for a roll dog.

I would not breed this dog since he may pass this defect into the puppies. Use him as a roll dog, but doubt it can be properly conditioned.

Fellows no matter how we feel or disagree. If everyone is going to start using vulgar and profane language to express one's self to each other. Why bother to leave on lines pedigree site? There one can talk common as they like to each other and even post any sort of Porno they like and even harassment type attacks. I was hoping this site would stay civil no matter how one may feel.

Standard's of a good dog man is not always how many dogs one shows or wins or loses. Some do better at the breeding aspect while others do better at the showing aspect. Not many can do it all and keep down a full time job. Cheers

[bently]

Bently, this dog is badly deformed in the front end, for what ever reasons. That dog can not take any serious work. My brother many years back had a little black/white bitch bred off Tramp Red Boy x W. Martin's lady.

This bitch was well built and could mop up the floor with anything her size. When trying to work her in a pre keep. She showed to have a bad joint in her back leg or what is called a gimp leg. Was of no avail what ever we tried, the defect was inherited. We did not breed her but used her for a roll dog.

I would not breed this dog since he may pass this defect into the puppies. Use him as a roll dog, but doubt it can be properly conditioned.

Fellows no matter how we feel or disagree. If everyone is going to start using vulgar and profane language to express one's self to each other. Why bother to leave on lines pedigree site? There one can talk common as they like to each other and even post any sort of Porno they like and even harassment type attacks. I was hoping this site would stay civil no matter how one may feel.

Standard's of a good dog man is not always how many dogs one shows or wins or loses. Some do better at the breeding aspect while others do better at the showing aspect. Not many can do it all and keep down a full time job. Cheers

the dog in the pic is not the deformed one. that is a female i posted because jack complained about her setup being so bad. She is not deformed its just the way the pic was taken, this bitch in the pic is gunpowder, she is very athletic and strong, no problems with her, although its her littermate brother who is deformed. i will post a pic

and man i am usually cool on this board, i dont crtitize no one or there dogs, because you u never know another mans situation.on this flip side, jack always has this urge to crtitise someone or something if it isnt the way he does it or wants it to be. I mean how dare you critisize me as a dog man and my dogs. I mean lets all rememeber where we all came from "JACK".

With all due respect he is very smart and always can provide help in just about any situation but why always critisize someone because it isnt the way you want it to be. Worry bout your own hounds not others, i mean i can care less about the other mans dogs, long as i know my dogs are ok. I apologize for the bad charecter but he really pissed me off that time.

[Nut]

after a 20 min walk his body just completely goes out and he needs to lay down fror a while to recover.....to many problems with this hound, the only reason i am keeping him and holding on to him until he is adult because of the way he bred and is worth a lot of money,


dude i ***** dogs with the prettiest peds if theres something i dont like. fuck money. he has to lay down and recover after 20 min of walk? sorry this sounds like a joke to me

[SGC]

Bently, this dog is badly deformed in the front end, for what ever reasons. That dog can not take any serious work. My brother many years back had a little black/white bitch bred off Tramp Red Boy x W. Martin's lady.

This bitch was well built and could mop up the floor with anything her size. When trying to work her in a pre keep. She showed to have a bad joint in her back leg or what is called a gimp leg. Was of no avail what ever we tried, the defect was inherited. We did not breed her but used her for a roll dog.

I would not breed this dog since he may pass this defect into the puppies. Use him as a roll dog, but doubt it can be properly conditioned.

Fellows no matter how we feel or disagree. If everyone is going to start using vulgar and profane language to express one's self to each other. Why bother to leave on lines pedigree site? There one can talk common as they like to each other and even post any sort of Porno they like and even harassment type attacks. I was hoping this site would stay civil no matter how one may feel.

Standard's of a good dog man is not always how many dogs one shows or wins or loses. Some do better at the breeding aspect while others do better at the showing aspect. Not many can do it all and keep down a full time job. Cheers

Very well said CYJ. Good post.

[ragedog10]

Very good post CYJ. Bently post a pic of the pup you keep saying you will, either cull the pup or keep it as a pet theres a defect plain and simple bro. Yis Ole Man

[bently]

BUMP

[bently]

bump

[ragedog10]

His feet are eastie westie and the shoulder looks like it was maybe broke as a young pup. if the dog is having trouble now i can only assume it will get much worse and more painful as he ages. Just my two cents but make the right choice for the dog. Ole Man

[gameday]

When the hell did i say i was putting a pup into a keep?

and since u take it their jack WE ALL REMEMBER PONCHO IN THAT SHIT SETUP WITH THAT DIRTY ASS TRANSPORTATION CRATE. and then u critisize my settup because you said it had a "large hole in the opening" and "bricks on the side to keep it stable" gtf out of here jack. HOW BIG WAS THAT OPENING OF PONCHO CRATE AND WT ABOUT HIS BRICKS ON THE SIDE OF HIS SHT CRATE. LETS ALL REMEMMBER WHERE WE CAME FROM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noj7EgiKAZ0

"My dogs Get the best feed possible, walked daily, and no dogs are in crates unless they are injured ""

I can post a pic of him right now and who wont be able to see any visible scars dumb ass.

U go on and on ranting about conditions and shit you have no control over. U think that because u took many ideas from other people and pasted them on a paper and made a book that you are this ultimate "breeder", for christ you wasnt shit as a competitor, yes poncho thorugh a pretty good percentage and his offspring did decent, HOW MANY DID YOU ACTUALY CAMPAIGN YOUR DAMN SELF?

Damn!!!..I've never seen that video before.

[AmberLamps]

When the hell did i say i was putting a pup into a keep?

and since u take it their jack WE ALL REMEMBER PONCHO IN THAT SHIT SETUP WITH THAT DIRTY ASS TRANSPORTATION CRATE. and then u critisize my settup because you said it had a "large hole in the opening" and "bricks on the side to keep it stable" gtf out of here jack. HOW BIG WAS THAT OPENING OF PONCHO CRATE AND WT ABOUT HIS BRICKS ON THE SIDE OF HIS SHT CRATE. LETS ALL REMEMMBER WHERE WE CAME FROM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noj7EgiKAZ0

"My dogs Get the best feed possible, walked daily, and no dogs are in crates unless they are injured ""

I can post a pic of him right now and who wont be able to see any visible scars dumb ass.

U go on and on ranting about conditions and shit you have no control over. U think that because u took many ideas from other people and pasted them on a paper and made a book that you are this ultimate "breeder", for christ you wasnt shit as a competitor, yes poncho thorugh a pretty good percentage and his offspring did decent, HOW MANY DID YOU ACTUALY CAMPAIGN YOUR DAMN SELF?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kce3FTkIIyo

Skip to 9:22.

And who's giving away them Silverback dogs?

[SFOD]

Looks like there isn't enough sunshine in that dogs life. That dog should be humanly put down . He shouldn't be bred to pass on any genetic traits that are defective . As for your yard and set up well o will say it does leave one with the impression that you don't give your dogs what they need, but thats just a snap shot of your place.

[Pit Bull Committed]

:) My advice, put on a thick coat. Take the goods and discard the bads.

[AmberLamps]

I am surprised by your attitude and tone ...

But I will say it again, if you retards would actually LISTEN to the video, it directly states that was a TEMPORARY SET UP ... that Poncho was a HOUSE DOG at the time ... and he was DYING OF CANCER.

I am not going to put up with outright lies, like that is how I kept my dogs.





What are you talking about? Why don't you give away yours?

Can't believe I need to explain this, but here goes. Read it s.l.o.w.l.y Jack so you don't get the wrong end of the stick ... again!

The 51 second video Bently posted cuts off before you can be heard saying it is a temporary chain spot for Poncho. That's why I posted the video and said skip to 9.22 where you can be heard (clear as day) saying it's only a temporary chain spot.

Ok? We friends again?

In regards to the Silverback dogs; that was a question to Bently as he stated he knew someone who was giving some away ... I wouldn't part with mine.

[Pit Bull Committed]

Can't believe I need to explain this, but here goes. Read it s.l.o.w.l.y Jack so you don't get the wrong end of the stick ... again!

The 51 second video Bently posted cuts off before you can be heard saying it is a temporary chain spot for Poncho. That's why I posted the video and said skip to 9.22 where you can be heard (clear as day) saying it's only a temporary chain spot.

Ok? We friends again?

In regards to the Silverback dogs; that was a question to Bently as he stated he knew someone who was giving some away ... I wouldn't part with mine.

;) yup, Jack read it wrong.

[Officially Retired]

Sorry about that Amber, my bad.

I turn around for a day and all hell breaks loose, and I was pissed and mistook what you did for something else.

I didn't think you'd part with yours.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

;) yup, Jack read it wrong.

Yep, guilty as charged.

Just woke up, no coffee, and the first thing I do is see a bunch of shit from Bently ... and mistook what AmberLamps said, so my bad.

Better now, onto the second cup of coffee, and yes AmberLamps, we're still friends and sorry about my mistake.

Even the friendliest bulldogs will nip those closest to them if they get geeked-up :lol:

[AmberLamps]

No probs Jack.

Still curious to who's parting with those dogs though? Care to let us know Bently?

[Officially Retired]

When the hell did i say i was putting a pup into a keep?

Your original post did, retard:



what will you do with a dog that cant work; in other words you cant put him into any shape. he can race but cant be conditioned

That's your original question asking about how to work/condition your fucked-up pup, right?





and since u take it their jack WE ALL REMEMBER PONCHO IN THAT SHIT SETUP WITH THAT DIRTY ASS TRANSPORTATION CRATE. and then u critisize my settup because you said it had a "large hole in the opening" and "bricks on the side to keep it stable" gtf out of here jack. HOW BIG WAS THAT OPENING OF PONCHO CRATE AND WT ABOUT HIS BRICKS ON THE SIDE OF HIS SHT CRATE. LETS ALL REMEMMBER WHERE WE CAME FROM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noj7EgiKAZ0

That video of Poncho was of when he was dying of cancer, retard. If you had a brain, and would listen to what was being said, it directly states "This isn't his chain spot."

It's called a temporary chain spot, genius. Because even a house dog needs SUN ... and a place to empty ... and that was his temp chain spot to get it. Very simple.

Again, if you actually would listen to the video, it directly states my dying dog was a HOUSE DOG and slept in my bed. And, if you could understand English, you'd know that.

Is there anything else you can fuck up and get wrong today?




"My dogs Get the best feed possible, walked daily, and no dogs are in crates unless they are injured ""


Define "the best feed possible."





I can post a pic of him right now and who wont be able to see any visible scars dumb ass.


That makes no sense.





U go on and on ranting about conditions and shit you have no control over. U think that because u took many ideas from other people and pasted them on a paper and made a book that you are this ultimate "breeder",

You're right, I have no control over your shitty habits and conditions.

But no, you're wrong on the second part. I have my own ideas, and put them to paper better than any other APBT author before me. Yet that's not what made me think I was "the ultimate breeder."

I never said I was "the ultimate breeder" ... but what made me think I was a better breeder than 90% of anyone who ever bred dogs in the history of the game is my 87% win record over every other breeder's shit in the game ... the fact I did this with a bloodline I created myself ... and the fact that this all stemmed from an unbroken string of MY breedings dating back to the first 2 dogs I bred together ... proving my ability to keep the quality alive in EVERY GENERATION ... which is something less that 00000000001% of any breeder can say of that they're doing. That's what makes me think I was a pretty darned good breeder. And a helluva lot more successful at it than you.






or christ you wasnt shit as a competitor, yes poncho thorugh a pretty good percentage and his offspring did decent, HOW MANY DID YOU ACTUALY CAMPAIGN YOUR DAMN SELF?

I only had 4 fights as a competitor, true.
1 win, 2 game losses, and 1 quit (c/h by someone else).
All against 20+ year veterans when I had less than 3 years experience myself.

And, as a producer, Poncho didn't throw "a pretty good percentage" ... he threw one of the best % win/loss records of any dog of his time. Period.

But this has nothing to do with anything, so let's see if we can get back to your question as to whether you can work/condition a 6 month old dog that can't walk and just got in a kennel fight.

You and your "high standards" :rolleyes:

Jack

[Officially Retired]

and man i am usually cool on this board, i dont crtitize no one or there dogs, because you u never know another mans situation.on this flip side, jack always has this urge to crtitise someone or something if it isnt the way he does it or wants it to be. I mean how dare you critisize me as a dog man and my dogs. I mean lets all rememeber where we all came from "JACK".

I try to be cool too.

The trouble is when people do/say shit that is so obviously crazy, dumb, that there has to be something more than a mere "discussion" ... there has to be a boot in the ass along with it.

You've got a fucked up dog. Who couldn't make it to his first birthday without being in a kennel wreck. Who can't walk around the block without falling over.

And, you're asking about "working him" (to match, by all you've said) before he can even walk a straight line and not need to "lie down."

And then you talk about your "high standards" ...

If you can't see THE IRONY of it all, then you're as BLIND to reality as you are DEAF as to what was clearly stated in that video.

If you posted this in the Canine Health forums, seeking therapy for your dogs' well being it would probably have been better received.

That said, I could have been more respectful myself ... even though reading stuff like that makes no sense to me.





With all due respect he is very smart and always can provide help in just about any situation but why always critisize someone because it isnt the way you want it to be.

Yes, I am very smart and helpful in just about any situation, true. I make mistakes and say things perhaps I shouldn't also.

But as far as criticism goes, I don't always criticize people. Believe this or not, sometimes I tip my hat to people ... people who actually do things intelligently and correctly :idea:

So don't put completely stupid shit up here and expect a buncha "atta-boys!", because it won't happen.





Worry bout your own hounds not others, i mean i can care less about the other mans dogs, long as i know my dogs are ok. I apologize for the bad charecter but he really pissed me off that time.

I will worry about whatever gets posted here, which is MY world ... a bulldog world designed to exchange GOOD advice/practices habits, not shitty ones.

And I too apologize for my own lack of character and self-restraint, because reading stupid shit really pisses me off too, but I shouldn't let it get to me and should learn how to discuss things more civilly.

So credit to CYJ for being a voice of reason ...

Jack

[bently]

I am not putting a damn pup in a keep. If u go back you will see that I said "walking in general" . Now when he is an adult and if he still has this defect problem and it doesn't get worser then comes the question of should I keep him or not.

The best feed possible I feed my dogs isn't even worth mention because like we all know that if it isn't you "premium raw diet"then it's impossible to be the best feed.

Yard accidents happen, just that simple. As far as how it happened I won't discuss it. U act like u never had a yard accident . Let's all remember what screamer did to


Point blank. You are a breeder I am a competitor. You have a breeders mentality I have a competitor mentality. U like to breed dogs I like to compete dogs. U say u went into vets. I went into almost the best comp there is nowadays , and in many cases won. BST, K&Q , GB, LC, T2T, Size Up, Hargroves, just to name a few.

Now u can say whT u want because everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am done posting

[Officially Retired]

I am not putting a damn pup in a keep. If u go back you will see that I said "walking in general" . Now when he is an adult and if he still has this defect problem and it doesn't get worser then comes the question of should I keep him or not.

Okay, fair enough. But you were already talking about matching him based on "what you saw" in a kennel mishap.

Anyway, giving every dog a FAIR chance is a great thing ... let's just leave it at that.





The best feed possible I feed my dogs isn't even worth mention because like we all know that if it isn't you "premium raw diet"then it's impossible to be the best feed.


That is actually correct: if you're not feeding a premium raw diet, your NOT feeding "the best feed possible."

It is scientifically impossible for dry, brown pellets to offer "the best nutrition" ...






Yard accidents happen, just that simple. As far as how it happened I won't discuss it. U act like u never had a yard accident . Let's all remember what screamer did to


Yard accidents happen mostly because of lousy setups, but in some cases they happen in moments of bad timing/judgement calls.

In 24 years breeding dogs, I can count the number of yard accidents I've had on one hand ... and have 1 finger left over.





Point blank. You are a breeder I am a competitor. You have a breeders mentality I have a competitor mentality. U like to breed dogs I like to compete dogs. U say u went into vets. I went into almost the best comp there is nowadays , and in many cases won. BST, K&Q , GB, LC, T2T, Size Up, Hargroves, just to name a few.

Breeders and competitors don't necessarily have to believe differently ... and patience, good food, and good practices benefit both equally ... while their opposite hurt both equally.





Now u can say whT u want because everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am done posting

That's fine. You can say what you want too ... within reason.

I understand you were pissed, so was I. It happens.

If you're really trying to give this pup a chance, and find out the best ways to recover him, then hats off to you.

It was just hard for me to see that through the fog of his being malformed, in a kennel accident already, and being talked about like a match dog before he's even matured out and recovered.

Jack

[ragedog10]

If u really wanna give him a shot, put him on a chain so he can get all the sunlight he needs switch over to the raw diet as it will have him looking 10 x's better. Now when he matures if he doesnt get better you wasted alot of time and money, i would really give it deep thought and go from there with the best intrest of the dog in mind. Best of Luck Ole Man

[bently]

If u really wanna give him a shot, put him on a chain so he can get all the sunlight he needs switch over to the raw diet as it will have him looking 10 x's better. Now when he matures if he doesnt get better you wasted alot of time and money, i would really give it deep thought and go from there with the best intrest of the dog in mind. Best of Luck Ole Man

i have put him on the raw diet of ( chicken quater, greens, rice, and cottage cheese with multi vitamins), which he has been on for about 2 weeks. the others are on kibble , i just a pain thawing out chicken quaters every morning. i use the cottahe chesse for his bones and joints instead of kefir

[bently]

i do hold my dogs to a high standard, although they all get a same fair shot of being able to mature before being judged. i will put him back on chain , i will make him a chain spot in grass, so that the surface dont be so hard on his feet and sholders as well

[ragedog10]

Yes it is a pain but the benefits are worth the xtra time, maybe with time he will get better but its hard to tell as i never seen him in person but if it looks like he's in pain when he walks i would assume it will only get worse. But best of luck with him. Ole Mqn

[bently]

right off the chain he is fine, and strong, if u walk him as time goes on he just gets weak. but also he seems he never wants to walk. for example if i walk him about a mile up the road he will walk behind you and very slow. as soon as you turn around he pulls and tries walk as fast as he can to get back home. so i can say that its his attitude as well, very stubborn.

[Officially Retired]

i do hold my dogs to a high standard, although they all get a same fair shot of being able to mature before being judged. i will put him back on chain , i will make him a chain spot in grass, so that the surface dont be so hard on his feet and sholders as well

That is considerate of you, and good luck.

Having lots of calcium/vitamin d along with the sunlight is critical. A half-tsp of cod liver oil would be advised.



Just to clear up one last thing on my end, that "bs" chainspot for Poncho, again, was not a permanent quarter.

It was a "break" spot for an elderly, dying *house* dog ... to stretch, get sun, empty, etc.

The large kennel crate (as opposed to a house) also had thought behind it: it is hard for a dog to squeeze through into a barrel house ... especially an old, sick one.

If Poncho felt like laying down while he was out there, he could just *walk* in or out to his bedding ... he didn't have to stress himself by "squeezing through" a small space ... so there was thought behind it.

To be perfectly clear, he was NEVER left outside in the elements; that's just where he took his emptying/getting-sun breaks.

Even though Poncho looked active, he was very sick with cancer, and was dead less than 7 months after that video ...

Jack

[bently]

That is considerate of you, and good luck.

Having lots of calcium/vitamin d along with the sunlight is critical. A half-tsp of cod liver oil would be advised.

Just to clear up one last thing on my end, that "bs" chainspot for Poncho, again, was not a permanent quarter.

It was a "break" spot for an elderly, dying *house* dog ... to stretch, get sun, empty, etc.

The large kennel crate (as opposed to a house) also had thought behind it: it is hard for a dog to squeeze through into a barrel house ... especially an old, sick one.

If Poncho felt like laying down while he was out there, he could just *walk* in or out to his bedding ... he didn't have to stress himself by "squeezing through" a small space ... so there was thought behind it.

To be perfectly clear, he was NEVER left outside in the elements; that's just where he took his emptying/getting-sun breaks.

Even though Poncho looked active, he was very sick with cancer, and was dead less than 7 months after that video ...

Jack


i was done with that whole agruement, and dont want to revisit it. with that being said " are you saying i can feed, cottage cheese, multivitims, (and) cod liver oil in the same meal" ?? thats isnt to much for him