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DarkAgeKennel
02-17-2014, 09:58 AM
what do you think about SDJ new policy? now they send to you a code wich you can read the magazine in a web; you wont get the file and cant keep it in your pc and read it confortable. they say that it is because of the piracy; i understand the point but i dont think is right that costumers who had pay before now have to get a diferent product, a worst product. I think they can implement the policy they want but cant do it with costumers who pay before the new measure.
with new policy i wont renew my subscription
I think it's not fair. I like to print mine out and make a magazine so I can read it while traveling. Since I paid for it I should be able to read it when I want,
This could be the beginning of the end of another magazine.
DarkAgeKennel
02-17-2014, 11:37 AM
exactly...i like to keep mines in a folder and easily read whereever and whenever i want....supposed we are paying for a non printed version, not for an access code.
If so that's B.S. mime is up it 2 months. If it's different I for one won't renew mine.
I liked the ASDJ but there gone now.
evolutionkennels
02-17-2014, 01:38 PM
I don't think that's a bad policy. I think it's great for the safety of the sport. Who the fuck fuck wants to be caught with a printed version of that when the humaniacs come knocking. I won't subscribe because of the owners judgement, plain and simple.
I don't think that's a bad policy. I think it's great for the safety of the sport. Who the fuck fuck wants to be caught with a printed version of that when the humaniacs come knocking. I won't subscribe because of the owners judgement, plain and simple.
I do believe nothing in there is illegal. No reports of any kind,
DarkAgeKennel
02-17-2014, 02:23 PM
Everyone is responsible for their actions and in fact, SDJ sells printed versions, so I do not think that is a concern for them, the new policy is only because piracy. From there it's not fair that now they implement this and harm everyone who paid for a different product.
AmberLamps
02-17-2014, 02:31 PM
I don't subscribe to it either.
I'm actually shocked that people want to put their business in there. It's a magazine that's available to everyone and anyone ... no thanks.
I don't subscribe to it either.
I'm actually shocked that people want to put their business in there. It's a magazine that's available to everyone and anyone ... no thanks.
good post.
BONEDADDY
02-17-2014, 04:58 PM
I for one like to save it to my kindle. I read the interviews and people's views on feeding. I also like to read about good bulldogs (past and present). After my subscription is up, I probably won't renew. I understand the piracy issue but I like to get mine PDF.
Bonedaddy
DarkAgeKennel
02-17-2014, 05:21 PM
I for one like to save it to my kindle. I read the interviews and people's views on feeding. I also like to read about good bulldogs (past and present). After my subscription is up, I probably won't renew. I understand the piracy issue but I like to get mine PDF.
Bonedaddy
Thats my point...have no sense to read it in a web and couldnt save in the pc... what im paying for?
sam i am
02-18-2014, 12:23 AM
I for one like to save it to my kindle. I read the interviews and people's views on feeding. I also like to read about good bulldogs (past and present). After my subscription is up, I probably won't renew. I understand the piracy issue but I like to get mine PDF.
Bonedaddy
There's definitely going to be a drop in renewed subscriptions....
Officially Retired
02-18-2014, 05:59 AM
Thats my point...have no sense to read it in a web and couldnt save in the pc... what im paying for?
The trouble with sending out an actual .pdf is that people can print their own magazines with it ... unless he crafted a security code to prevent printing.
No way would I send someone a .pdf of my book, for example.
Jack
Black Hand
02-18-2014, 07:26 AM
Just pay for the physical magazine like people have always done? Then u don't have to worry about it.
DarkAgeKennel
02-18-2014, 10:07 AM
The point is that they offer that product. .... and now want to change it after people pay. There are people who doesn't live in usa and want to recibe the sdj without paying shipping every month. I wouldn't have a problem about the new policy ... just wouldn't buy it. . But if you sold me X product you can't now change because of piracy. ... that's you're problem and you have to deal against it without affect me. The point is not If sdj is safe or not. .. The point is they ve always sell two Kind of products. .. The printed and the pdf and now suddenly change for what we have been already pay. .... change your product. .i don't care. .. It's your right. .i simply won't renew but don't change what I'm pay before. ....
BONEDADDY
02-18-2014, 11:05 AM
For those of you who don't know, you can print the magazine from the site. That is not what my problem is. I like to save my SDJs to a file on my kindle. If piracy is a problem, he should find out who is doing it and deal with THEM. You can print the magazine and distribute it that way so he is not dealing with the problem. I just like to keep mine. I used to subscribe to the old SDJ and still have my copies put up. The only problem with that is they get old and worn from reading and storage. I could just download them and scan them but that shouldn't have to happen. Jack, people like me don't like to share because too many people don't want to pay for what they get. I have the Bible and your CDs. I don't let nobody borrow them either. There are too many deals out there for me to let someone just get it for free.
dpitbull
02-18-2014, 02:34 PM
I think not allowing a pdf download will hurt sells. I enjoy reading them on my tablet. The printed editions are twice the price. If I'm not mistaken the pdf has your email at the top. So why not ban the email that uploads the magazine to the web. I mean even the printed versions can be shared with others. Jm2c
DarkAgeKennel
02-18-2014, 05:03 PM
I think not allowing a pdf download will hurt sells. I enjoy reading them on my tablet. The printed editions are twice the price. If I'm not mistaken the pdf has your email at the top. So why not ban the email that uploads the magazine to the web. I mean even the printed versions can be shared with others. Jm2c
exactly
FrostyPaws
02-20-2014, 09:14 PM
If you don't like the policy, don't subscribe. I don't blame him for doing what it takes to protect his work.
DarkAgeKennel
02-20-2014, 09:39 PM
If you don't like the policy, don't subscribe. I don't blame him for doing what it takes to protect his work.
and tell me...what do you do when are already subscribed and the change the product?
SDJ2010
02-20-2014, 11:02 PM
Look, I see nothing wrong with the occasional download, the occasional copying of a friend's SDJ and so forth but apparently things got out of hand. To be honest, I don't really see your problem! You can access the magazine from anywhere, anytime, any device for UNLIMITED TIME! You can even print it if you wish. For example, the digtial version of the ADBA Gazette is accessible for only 30 days after purchase! Anyway, if you feel that you were mislead then don't subscribe next time...
Regards,
LC
P.S. If you're interested in collecting or archiving, I'd definitely suggest to get the printed version.
Lasse
02-21-2014, 01:22 AM
@eneas
I can really understand that you are upset that the editor changed the policy after you subscriped and to be totally honest I would feel the same way as you do as I had the digital subscription as well and used to save it to my computer as PDF file to archive it - at the turn of the year I switched to the subscription for the printed edition as it annoyed me to read it on my pc and I can tell you it's a really nice magazine quality-wise.
On the other hand I can understand the editor as well as he puts his own work into the magazine and if I were him I surely didn't want to see my work getting spread around the net for free. People don't realize that copying/downloading copyrighted online content is the same as stealing in the "real world". A lot of people wouldn't steal but are quick to save copyrighted online content to their pc. People asked me how does the editor make sure that nobody forwards the magazine to a friend or upload it to a sharing platform. I always said he can't he just has to trust people that they just don't do it. I had somebody sent me some download links to the magazine myself and a friend of mine asked me to forward him the mag but I denied. I told him it's only some $40 a year which means some $3,x a month. C'mon!
So when I do a wheighing of your interests and the editor's I have to aggree with the editor's interest to save his work against piracy, which is the reason for SDJ's new policy. Also Jack said "No way I would send someone a PDF file of my book, for example." And to the ones who complained that they used to print their own mag, they are still able to do that as SDJ2010 posted above. I think one can't ask for more. I also really liked the PDF files but when it doesn't work it just doesn't.
The Old Timer.
02-21-2014, 02:45 AM
pdf of your book been around awhile. you might might of not done it but someone you pissed off did.
Officially Retired
02-21-2014, 06:22 AM
pdf of your book been around awhile. you might might of not done it but someone you pissed off did.
Not my whole book, no way. I once sent a .pdf of part of my keep, which proved to be a mistake, but never the whole book.
Jack
Officially Retired
02-21-2014, 06:28 AM
I think not allowing a pdf download will hurt sells. I enjoy reading them on my tablet. The printed editions are twice the price. If I'm not mistaken the pdf has your email at the top. So why not ban the email that uploads the magazine to the web. I mean even the printed versions can be shared with others. Jm2c
1. It's sales, not sells.
2. Printing paper is 100x as expensive: it wastes paper, it wastes ink, takes time to produce, takes time to package, takes time to deliver, costs money to send, and takes time to get.
All that said, it's still preferable (to me) to read a physical document. But, unless you own the printing press, it's extremely expensive to do these days.
Jack
BONEDADDY
02-21-2014, 08:00 AM
@ LC. Unfortunately, I have to agree with eneas. I download mine so I can read them when I have no internet access (work). I feel you about the piracy thing but what about the people who don't share?
DarkAgeKennel
02-21-2014, 08:12 AM
it's simple, if you sold me the pdf version, don't come now and change what you sold me. If i would pay it monthly would not be problem, i just dont buy it anymore, but you sold a complete year subscription so keep your word and give what you sold.
Im not saying that is a good or bad measure...there would be diferent opinions...what im sayin is that I pay for a PDF version not otherwise, so isnt correct you change it now after ive payed.
dpitbull
02-21-2014, 08:51 AM
You're right about sales and sells jack I humbily aplogize for my spelling mistake and hope you can see past my error. I agree that printing a magazine and shipping it cost money. I was responding to the comment about simply buying the magazine. The point I was making was with the printed magazine costing twice as much and then sitting around for the wrong people to see it is understandable for people to not care for it. Again jm2c
SDJ2010
02-21-2014, 10:00 AM
it's simple, if you sold me the pdf version, don't come now and change what you sold me. If i would pay it monthly would not be problem, i just dont buy it anymore, but you sold a complete year subscription so keep your word and give what you sold.
Im not saying that is a good or bad measure...there would be diferent opinions...what im sayin is that I pay for a PDF version not otherwise, so isnt correct you change it now after ive payed.
Eneas, there is no real point in arguing here. I can offer you a refund on the rest of your subscription and we can all sleep well at night!
Eneas, there is no real point in arguing here. I can offer you a refund on the rest of your subscription and we can all sleep well at night!
You must make smart business decisions, not everyone will agree, but ultimately it is your decision. And you did not have to offer a refund publicly, I can respect that!
:hatsoff:
DarkAgeKennel
02-21-2014, 03:36 PM
I wrote it here because when write to you by mail i got no answer...and this is a forum with other people who buy the same product and they can share opinions and experiences about it. But sleep well and as you say we wont arguing in here, but plase, answere my mail.
FrostyPaws
02-21-2014, 06:36 PM
I personally don't care that he changed it. I always wondered when he would get around to doing something like that. I had a subscription before when it was .pdf. I have one now when it's not, and I didn't even know the format changed. And it doesn't matter to me one bit. What format is not so important that I would cancel my subscription to something. That's trivial in the grand scheme of things in MY mind.
The Old Timer.
02-23-2014, 06:12 AM
Not my whole book, no way. I once sent a .pdf of part of my keep, which proved to be a mistake, but never the whole book.
Jack
all your books are on cd discs pdf. even your old book 2007 is on pdf disc, I know cause it sitting here in front of me.
The Old Timer.
02-23-2014, 08:01 AM
Eneas, there is no real point in arguing here. I can offer you a refund on the rest of your subscription and we can all sleep well at night!
Its an apology, plus a refund you should give him.
Officially Retired
02-23-2014, 08:09 AM
all your books are on cd discs pdf. even your old book 2007 is on pdf disc, I know cause it sitting here in front of me.
Then they must be photocopies or something, not the original .pdf.
So you pay someone else "less" for a cheap spin-off, and reward that person monetarily for stealing, rather than pay the rightful owner his just profit who actually put in the work?
Wow, thought you had more class than that. It's amazing how many pieces of shit there are in this game.
Jack
gabbagabbahey
02-23-2014, 08:32 AM
The Indispensable Tips has been going around the forums for a while. That is the only one I have seen.
I subscribe to the ISDJ & have done since the start. Although I preferred it before the change,i will still subscribe.......
Officially Retired
02-23-2014, 09:04 AM
Its an apology, plus a refund you should give him.
How laughable that you talk about refunds or apologies, as if your own moral compass is working :embarrassed:
If you're reading my Bible, you owe me $99.
Jack
Officially Retired
02-23-2014, 09:09 AM
The Indispensable Tips has been going around the forums for a while. That is the only one I have seen.
Yes, that is the only one I've seen too.
As well as a .pdf of my keep (which I made the mistake of sending somone once).
My Tips book was just a pamphlet, really, that someone took the staples out of and scanned.
But there is no .pdf of The Bible anywhere that I know of.
I guess if someone was desperate enough to press it against a scanner and make photocopies, and there were enough crum-grabbers to buy it, then whatever :rolleyes: :embarrassed:
But there is no substitute for just doing the right thing and having the real deal.
Hell, I could have gotten the Adobe Master Collection "bootlegged" for free, but I shelled out the $2,000 to get the real deal.
Adobe engineers made it, and they deserve the money their work and ideas created. Pretty simple.
Jack
The Old Timer.
02-23-2014, 03:33 PM
Can we stick to the topic please of the SDJ , ENEAS has raised a good and valued point.
Officially Retired
02-23-2014, 04:38 PM
Can we stick to the topic please of the SDJ , ENEAS has raised a good and valued point.
You're the one who first digressed off the topic to me, genius. And if I want to give you a well-deserved boot in the ass for what the course of the digression revealed about you, and your hypocrisy here (speaking of honesty and apologies on the subject of .pdfs and pirating), I damned sure don't need your permission to do so.
SDJ2010
02-23-2014, 10:12 PM
I have nothing to argue about! As long as I'm the one doing the work, it's a "my way or the highway" situation! It seems to me that some consider pirating as a form of free speech! You have got to be joking...
The Old Timer.
02-24-2014, 08:11 AM
You're the one who first digressed off the topic to me, genius. And if I want to give you a well-deserved boot in the ass for what the course of the digression revealed about you, and your hypocrisy here (speaking of honesty and apologies on the subject of .pdfs and pirating), I damned sure don't need your permission to do so.
"ignorance is bliss"
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 08:13 AM
"ignorance is bliss"
And a piece of shit is a piece of shit.
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 08:33 AM
"ignorance is bliss"
And guess what else smartass: when you pay me the remainder of what you owe me "for all my books," you can get your privileges back here :idea:
Jack
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 01:07 PM
I have nothing to argue about! As long as I'm the one doing the work, it's a "my way or the highway" situation! It seems to me that some consider pirating as a form of free speech! You have got to be joking...
Your way or highway? you think that is the posture of someone who offer and sell a product or a service? Do you think the piracy is my problem if i pay to you and dont disrespect your work? No is not..its YOUR PROBLEM... my problem is to get for what i have payed for. Now that i wrote in a forum is when you want to answer but when i write to you by email you care a fuck right?
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 01:18 PM
Your way or highway? you think that is the posture of someone who offer and sell a product or a service? Do you think the piracy is my problem if i pay to you and dont disrespect your work? No is not..its YOUR PROBLEM... my problem is to get for what i have payed for. Now that i wrote in a forum is when you want to answer but when i write to you by email you care a fuck right?
Let's try to keep it cleaner than this, okay?
Are you still able get, and read, the SDJ in "some" format?
Jack
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 01:32 PM
Let's try to keep it cleaner than this, okay?
Are you still able get, and read, the SDJ in "some" format?
Jack
is not so simple..for example.... you go to blockbuster and rent a bluray movie and when you get home you realize that is not an HD and is not bluray, but you are still able to watch the movie.
It is not what people pay for..before i pay the subscription he offer me a pdf version or a printed version...anyway with those two options ill get the magazine and i will be able to open it, read it, copy, move it or whatever i want (not talking about piracy) in an easy way. Now i have to get a code and have an internet conecction to be able to read it...beside it is unconfortable now..it is not like read it in PDF....is compleatly diferent and i have the right to complain because that is not what i buyed....
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 01:41 PM
is not so simple..for example.... you go to blockbuster and rent a bluray movie and when you get home you realize that is not an HD and is not bluray, but you are still able to watch the movie.
It is not what people pay for..before i pay the subscription he offer me a pdf version or a printed version...anyway with those two options ill get the magazine and i will be able to open it, read it, copy, move it or whatever i want (not talking about piracy) in an easy way. Now i have to get a code and have an internet conecction to be able to read it...beside it is unconfortable now..it is not like read it in PDF....is compleatly diferent and i have the right to complain because that is not what i buyed....
You didn't really answer the question though: are you still able to read the SDJ in some way, or not?
I understand what you're saying, it's less convenient than before, but can you still read it in some fashion or not?
Jack
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 01:52 PM
You didn't really answer the question though: are you still able to read the SDJ in some way, or not?
I understand what you're saying, it's less convenient than before, but can you still read it in some fashion or not?
Jack
Of course i can but like you say is less conveniente....and i still pay the same..he deteriorated what initialy offer me and sold me...he should offer that service for the new costumers and respect the ones who pay for the PDF...then is up to you if renew or not when your subscription end...that is ethical way not the "its my way or is highway"...what a F,,,is that?
CRISIS
02-24-2014, 01:59 PM
i used to read the SDJ pdf when i was at work on my down time..... but because theres no net connection @ my job, theres no way of doing so now......i personally like the printable version better anyways
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 02:02 PM
is simple...he is harming loyal customers to prevent his piracy problems.
CRISIS
02-24-2014, 02:09 PM
harm is a big word, lol but definately stepping on toes..... what im curious to know is what is he considering pirating? is it file sharing or are is it being copied & resold?? there is a difference.....
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 02:45 PM
Of course i can but like you say is less conveniente....and i still pay the same..he deteriorated what initialy offer me and sold me...he should offer that service for the new costumers and respect the ones who pay for the PDF...then is up to you if renew or not when your subscription end...that is ethical way not the "its my way or is highway"...what a F,,,is that?
It helps if everyone tries to understand everyone else's perspective :idea:
I know you want everyone to understand "your" perspective, but your interests aren't the only ones at stake here :idea:
As a purveyor of information myself, it gets hard watching people copy and steal my work.
Understand this fact: anyone who takes the time to put out a magazine, or a book, or whatever, is usually a cut above the average person, who never lifts a finger to do anything.
Try to imagine spending days, weeks, months, and/or (in some cases) YEARS putting together information ... only to have some bozo "copy-n-paste" your hard work, and then offer it up for sale, for less!
It kinda takes away the motivation to go through all of that bullshit ... only to have it stolen by the click of a mouse.
Therefore, a creator is either going to do something to protect his work, or he is going to stop creating and save himself the aggravation.
Therefore, while you want everyone to understand "your" perspective, sometimes it is helpful to understand the other guy's perspective.
It's not all about you; other people's interests are important too :idea:
Let's face it: people take the time to put together magazines, books, etc. for 3 basic reasons: interest/passion; creative expression; profit.
Back in the days of purely physical books, you either bought the book or you didn't have the information. This means the author always got paid.
Nowadays, you can (literally) take 2 years of a guy's work and effort and right-click his info and dispense it to other people.
So get over yourself, and your $30, and think about it from A CREATOR'S perspective!!
There is more at stake here than just "your convenience" ... there's an assload of somebody else's time, effort, and rights that need to be protected ... that is worth a whole lot more than a measly $30.
I mean, suppose you boycott the guy ... or me ... or whomever ... and you send him, or me, or whomever into bankruptcy ... then what?
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.
Is that really what you want?
The truth is, if people keep pirating other people's work, and if every time THE CREATORS OF THE WORLD try to adjust things to protect themselves ... if every customer becomes a boo-hoo crybaby ... and "refuses to buy" anymore ... is it really a "good" thing to ruin AND HAVE NO MORE creative people in this world?
I don't think so.
Therefore, all things considered, you might be better-served to be more UNDERSTANDING of a man's plight, and less "demanding," and try to work with and HELP the creative people of this world ... rather than to burn them and boycott them every time every wish of yours isn't granted.
On my end, I know there isn't a single person on the face of this earth ... who "pirated" my books, or who "scanned copies" of my DVDs, etc. ... who can kiss my ass as an author, breeder, or source of information on the subject of these dogs.
And yet there still are broke-dick, crumb-grabbing pieces of shit will pay "some thief" less money for my work than they will to reward ME for MY efforts in learning, creating, and amassing the colossal amount of effort/materials it took to create my books, DVDs, etc. Makes me want to kill somebody, actually, but instead all I can do is keep rolling and hope there are enough honest people in this world who pay ME for MY work, rather than "someone else" for not doing shit besides stealing it.
IMO, those people who cry "boo-hoo" (or who buy from thieves) are, ultimately, shooting themselves in the foot by their actions.
They're taking all the motivation away from truly creative people to BE creative :idea:
Do you have any idea what it takes to create a book or a magazine from scratch (as opposed to right-clicking)?
How would you like to spend $1,000 on Adobe In-Design, spend months creating and publishing a body of work, design a website to make it available and offer it up for sale ... only to have some asshole pirate that effort, spend no money (and make no effort) himself, and yet be able to profit by selling YOUR work online, thanks to a right-click?
Think that might piss you off?
Think you might want to protect yourself from that happening to you?
Or would you just quit and say, "Why bother?"
I know I damned sure don't like it when it happens to me.
The truth is, most people are pieces of unthinking shit.
They "want everything" but they give (and understand) nothing.
Just because most people are like that, doesn't mean you have to join that club :idea:
You can actually choose to join a different club, the club of people who try to understand another man's plight, another man's perspective, and who APPRECIATE honest effort and hard work.
You can choose to realize that, hey, here is some guy trying to put out a magazine ... and you can choose to understand WHY he's protecting himself ... and not let it bother you that much.
If you really think about all that's involved, you might conclude that you would do the same thing yourself ... to protect your own efforts ... if "you" put all that hard work into something :idea:
Jack
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 03:06 PM
It helps if everyone tries to understand everyone else's perspective :idea:
I know you want everyone to understand "your" perspective, but your interests aren't the only ones at stake here :idea:
As a purveyor of information myself, it gets hard watching people copy and steal your work.
Understand this fact: anyone who takes the time to put out a magazine, or a book, or whatever, is usually a cut above the average person, who never lifts a finger to do anything.
Try to imagine spending days, weeks, months, and/or (in some cases) YEARS putting together information ... only to have some bozo "copy-n-paste" your hard work, and then offer it up for sale, for less!
It kinda takes away the motivation to go through all of that bullshit ... only to have it stolen by the click of a mouse.
Therefore, a creator is either going to do something to protect his work, or he is going to stop creating and save himself the aggravation.
Therefore, while you want everyone to understand "your" perspective, sometimes it is helpful to understand the other guy's perspective.
It's not all about you; other people's interests are important too :idea:
Let's face it: people take the time to put together magazines, books, etc. for 3 basic reasons: interest/passion; creative expression; profit.
Back in the days of purely physical books, you either bought the book or you didn't have the information. This means the author always got paid.
Nowadays, you can (literally) take 2 years of a guy's work and effort and right-click his info and dispense it to other people.
So get over yourself, and your $30, and think about it from A CREATOR'S perspective!!
There is more at stake here than just "your convenience" ... there's an assload of somebody else's time, effort, and rights that need to be protected ... that is worth a whole lot more than a measly $30.
I mean, suppose you boycott the guy ... or me ... or whomever ... and you send him, or me, or whomever into bankruptcy ... and then what?
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.
Is that really what you want?
The truth is, if people keep pirating other people's work, and if every time THE CREATORS OF THE WORLD try to adjust things to protect themselves ... if every customer becomes a boo-hoo crybaby ... and "refuses to buy" anymore ... is it really a "good" thing to ruin AND HAVE NO MORE creative people in this world?
I don't think so.
Therefore, all things considered, you might be better-served to be more UNDERSTANDING of a man's plight, and less "demanding," and try to work with and HELP the creative people of this world ... rather than to burn them and boycott them every time every wish of yours isn't granted.
On my end, I know there isn't a single person on the face of this earth ... who "pirated" my books, or who "scanned copies" of my DVDs, etc. ... who can kiss my ass as an author, breeder, or source of information on the subject of these dogs.
And yet there still are broke-dick, crumb-grabbing pieces of shit will pay "some thief" less money for my work than they will to reward ME for my efforts in learning, creating, and amassing the colossal amount of effort/materials it took to create my books, DVDs, etc. Makes me want to kill somebody, actually, but instead all I can do is keep rolling and hope there are enough honest people in this world who pay ME for my work, rather than someone else for not doing shit besides stealing it.
IMO, those people who cry "boo-hoo" (or who buy from thieves) are, ultimately, shooting themselves in the foot by their actions.
They're taking all the motivation away from truly creative people to BE creative :idea:
Do you have any idea what it takes to create a book or a magazine from scratch (as opposed to right-clicking)?
How would you like to spend $1,000 on Adobe In-Design, spend months creating and publishing a body of work, design a website to make it available and offer it up for sale ... only to have some asshole pirate that effort, spend no money (and make no effort) himself, and yet be able to profit by selling YOUR work online, thanks to a right-click?
Think that might piss you off?
Think you might want to protect yourself from that happening to you?
Or would you just quit and say, "Why bother?"
I know I damned sure don't like it when it happens to me.
The truth is, most people are pieces of unthinking shit.
They "want everything" but they give (and understand) nothing.
Just because most people are like that, doesn't mean you have to join that club :idea:
You can actually choose to join a different club, the club of people who try to understand another man's plight, another man's perspective, and who APPRECIATE honest effort and hard work.
You can choose to realize that, hey, here is some guy trying to put out a magazine ... and you can choose to understand WHY he's protecting himself ... and not let it bother you that much.
If you really think about all that's involved, you might conclude that you would do the same thing yourself ... to protect your own efforts ... if "you" put all that hard work into something :idea:
Jack
im been demanding not because i want...the fact is that i tryed to argue with SDJ by email and till now nothing...he just dont answer...so, what can i do?
Its not all about me but the fact is that i was which came out injured not him...he just said.."my way or highway"
he put time and efford in his work but he also sold that work so that is a bussiness and like in every bussines you have to respect the customers and keep your word. he is not doing a favor to me, he is selling a product.
Im not boycott nobody, im just saying the true...if i would be saying lies, thats a different history. And this have nothing to do with the database, i dont know what are you trying to say...so you mean that if y bother your friend ill be baned from the database...so you are threatening me? jajajajajaja....the SDJ have nothing to do with my database subscription but if yoy want to baned me go ahead...the good thing is that at the end this is a goos experiencie to know better people...and like SDJ i have my ways too....
do what you want
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 03:21 PM
im been demanding not because i want...the fact is that i tryed to argue with SDJ by email and till now nothing...he just dont answer...so, what can i do?
Its not all about me but the fact is that i was which came out injured not him...he just said.."my way or highway"
he put time and efford in his work but he also sold that work so that is a bussiness and like in every bussines you have to respect the customers and keep your word. he is not doing a favor to me, he is selling a product.
Im not boycott nobody, im just saying the true...if i would be saying lies, thats a different history. And this have nothing to do with the database, i dont know what are you trying to say...so you mean that if y bother your friend ill be baned from the database...so you are threatening me? jajajajajaja....the SDJ have nothing to do with my database subscription but if yoy want to baned me go ahead...the good thing is that at the end this is a goos experiencie to know better people...and like SDJ i have my ways too....
do what you want
Huh? I am not threatening you.
How did you get that out of what I said?
You are proving yourself to be very irrational.
You either don't have enough intelligence (or understanding of English) for me to bother communicating with you any further.
Jack
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 03:25 PM
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.
Is that really what you want?
Dont you wrote this???? so...maybe my english isnt perfect but im not stupid. Do i have payed any database to SDJ?
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 03:30 PM
Simple SDJ refund my money as yoy said before, i do not want deal with you anymore.
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 03:37 PM
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.
Is that really what you want?
Dont you wrote this???? so...maybe my english isnt perfect but im not stupid. Do i have payed any database to SDJ?
You simply don't understand English well enough for me to bother trying to communicate with you anymore.
Maybe you can cut-and-paste what I wrote in some translation engine, but (no) that isn't a threat.
Jack
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 03:40 PM
perfect...if isnt a threat and my english isnt enough to comunicate with you that let you out of the discution.
Thanks for your comments.
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 03:47 PM
perfect...if isnt a threat and my english isnt enough to comunicate with you that let you out of the discution.
Thanks for your comments.
Let me out of the discussion? Now you're starting to piss me off.
You've made your case, and now it's time for you to shut up or take this private.
You will not be mouthing off to me in my world.
And, yes, that is a warning.
Simple SDJ refund my money as yoy said before, i do not want deal with you anymore.
I think Jack was saying he was tired of trying to get you to understand what he was saying. Not tried of you on the forum.
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 03:53 PM
I think Jack was saying he was tired of trying to get you to understand what he was saying. Not tried of you on the forum.
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.
Is that really what you want?
this is what he wrote...
CrazyRed
02-24-2014, 03:56 PM
Eneas you are an idiot, he said what happens when the writers creators no longer give information then we will have no books no magazines no databases. Then we just have the dumbasses left, like you who cannot give a quarter of what you are asking.
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 04:12 PM
well those writer or creator are not working for free...they sell their products so that is a bussines and as a custumer i have the right to complain when think It is not fair. Dont put the things as if SDJ is making a favor...he sell and we pay. If you do your thing for free you have the right to do whatever you want but in the moment you sell to someone then you have an ethical obligation.
About the CJ post that was what i I understood...maybe i read too fast.....
dpitbull
02-24-2014, 04:27 PM
Eneas you have made your point. The thread on peds had a lot of views. So don't worry with these people's comments. You wanted people aware of the new policy and they are. Thank you for pointing it out.
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 04:33 PM
Eneas you have made your point. The thread on peds had a lot of views. So don't worry with these people's comments. You wanted people aware of the new policy and they are. Thank you for pointing it out.
You ought to worry about my GD comments on the previous page, more than Eneas' crybaby boo-hooing, quite frankly.
If you make it too hard for creative people to both create their work ... AND protect it ... and if you bitch, cry, and moan more than you learn to appreciate the efforts of those who try to produce a good product ... you will have nothing to read or enjoy ultimately.
Jack
DarkAgeKennel
02-24-2014, 04:50 PM
You ought to worry about my GD comments on the previous page, more than Eneas' crybaby boo-hooing, quite frankly.
If you make it too hard for creative people to both create their work ... AND protect it ... and if you bitch, cry, and moan more than you learn to appreciate the efforts of those who try to produce a good product ... you will have nothing to read or enjoy ultimately.
Jack
seems like in here if you bother some people you are in troubles...Stop with this about "creative people", at the end the are selling and making money soy they have an obligation with costumers...this part you dont read it CJ right? you just read what you want and answere what you want...trying to painting these "creatives" like brave givers who make enormous sacrifices for us....pleaseeee....if i pay to you, you better keep your word. And indeed english isnt my first lenguage so i apologize if some words i have misundestood...my fault...but i think my idea is pretty clear...you can belive wahtever you want.
f
Officially Retired
02-24-2014, 05:15 PM
seems like in here if you bother some people you are in troubles...Stop with this about "creative people", at the end the are selling and making money soy they have an obligation with costumers...this part you dont read it CJ right? you just read what you want and answere what you want...trying to painting these "creatives" like brave givers who make enormous sacrifices for us....pleaseeee....if i pay to you, you better keep your word. And indeed english isnt my first lenguage so i apologize if some words i have misundestood...my fault...but i think my idea is pretty clear...you can belive wahtever you want.
f
No, you need to stop.
You've made your point, and you're too stupid to understand my point.
I have asked you to stop repeating yourself. Now I am telling you: SHUT UP and move on. This thread is over.
If you babble one more word on this subject, I am giving you the boot.
Comprendes?
Jack
dpitbull
02-25-2014, 07:17 AM
You ought to worry about my GD comments on the previous page, more than Eneas' crybaby boo-hooing, quite frankly.
If you make it too hard for creative people to both create their work ... AND protect it ... and if you bitch, cry, and moan more than you learn to appreciate the efforts of those who try to produce a good product ... you will have nothing to read or enjoy ultimately.
Jack
I hadn't read all the post on this thread. I just know that there is no sense in arguing over something for this many pages. The point was made on the first page of the thread. I paid for any issues I received of the SDJ as well as the copy of your book. I agree if people can't make money they won't go through the trouble of trying to put out content. On the flip side people have the right to get what they pay for. I was simply trying to put the thread to bed. At the end of the day if you don't have someone with real experience in these dogs to help guide you all the books in the world won't save you. Reading and comprehending are two different things.
I hadn't read all the post on this thread. I just know that there is no sense in arguing over something for this many pages. The point was made on the first page of the thread. I paid for any issues I received of the SDJ as well as the copy of your book. I agree if people can't make money they won't go through the trouble of trying to put out content. On the flip side people have the right to get what they pay for. I was simply trying to put the thread to bed. At the end of the day if you don't have someone with real experience in these dogs to help guide you all the books in the world won't save you. Reading and comprehending are two different things.
dpitbull,
With over 2,000 members subscribed to this site I hardly think 70 comments is to many pages of arguing, as you call it. Especially if there are members who didn't get it on page #1 and who will likely not get it if the debate made it to page #100.
And just in case you are unaware, the moderators are the only ones who make the decision to close a thread.
I think Jack has brought up many good points as to why changes are necessary to be not only successful in your plight, but to protect the work you have painstakingly put together.
Yes, you get what you pay for, and if you are spending your hard earned dollar to the SDJ, and several knuckleheads are bootlegging it for 1/3 of the cost that should bother you as well.
You would think any normal rational person would get that?
S_B
dpitbull
02-25-2014, 10:09 AM
dpitbull,
With over 2,000 members subscribed to this site I hardly think 70 comments is to many pages of arguing, as you call it. Especially if there are members who didn't get it on page #1 and who will likely not get it if the debate made it to page #100.
We all have opinions you're entitled to yours as well as I am entitled to mine. I feel stating the same thing over and over is a waste of time. Even Jack said that he was done trying to reach Eneas.
And just in case you are unaware, the moderators are the only ones who make the decision to close a thread.
I don't mean close a thread literally. Obviously I am not a moderator so I can't close a thread. I was reiterating to Eneas he had made his point.
I think Jack has brought up many good points as to why changes are necessary to be not only successful in your plight, but to protect the work you have painstakingly put together.
I agree he has made his point about piracy. I clearly stated that
Yes, you get what you pay for, and if you are spending your hard earned dollar to the SDJ, and several knuckleheads are bootlegging it for 1/3 of the cost that should bother you as well.
I agree with this as well. I definitely don't want to pay for something that is being given out for free.
You would think any normal rational person would get that?
Again I don't see where I have argued against the points Jack or anyone else has made. So to state again I don't disagree with anyone on this threads ideas. So not sure I see the reasoning behind dissecting my post. You make it seem as if I had argued against Jack's responses to Eneas. I have not I made it abundantly clear I agree that piracy is wrong. I also made it clear that I think that the sdj has the right to change it's policies at any time.
S_B
Hope this clears up the misunderstanding My response is in bold red inside the quote box
Officially Retired
02-25-2014, 10:18 AM
I agree with this as well. I definitely don't want to pay for something that is being given out for free.
Hope this clears up the misunderstanding My response is in bold red inside the quote box
No, there's no misunderstanding: you've very clearly announced that you're one of the lowlifes that would pay a thief less, and rob a creator of his just profit for all his work in making the creation to begin with ... because you'd buy the bootleg for cheap, and reward a thief for a right-click of a mouse, rather than pay the full price to the man who's rightfully-owed his profit for his real time + efforts.
Jack
dpitbull
02-25-2014, 10:30 AM
No, there's no misunderstanding: you've very clearly announced that you're one of the lowlifes that would pay a thief less, and rob a creator of his just profit for all his work in making the creation to begin with ... because you'd buy the bootleg for cheap, and reward a thief for a right-click of a mouse, rather than pay the full price to the man who's rightfully-owed his profit for his real time + efforts.
Jack
Where did I announce this? If you don't mind post a quote where I said anything about buying a counterfeit copy of anything.
Officially Retired
02-25-2014, 10:31 AM
Read what you wrote, in bold-italicized red, that I highlighted in my post.
ragedog10
02-25-2014, 10:39 AM
I dont blame the Journal, he warned everyone he would take the steps to stop the piarcy and people continued to give away his work. To me its that simple he warned some did nt listen cut and dry. Yis Ole Man
dpitbull
02-25-2014, 10:40 AM
"Yes, you get what you pay for, and if you are spending your hard earned dollar to the SDJ, and several knuckleheads are bootlegging it for 1/3 of the cost that should bother you as well."
"I agree with this as well. I definitely don't want to pay for something that is being given out for free."
That in no way shape or form says I would buy a counterfeit copy of anything.
Officially Retired
02-25-2014, 10:45 AM
My mistake, then, and good for you.
Just understand that the way it was worded could be construed as "you don't want to pay for something" (the true author's price) "that is being given out for free" (by a bootlegger) ...
Jack
dpitbull
02-25-2014, 10:48 AM
I agree it could be misconstrued. I was speaking in generality and when you do that it leaves things open for interpretation.
Officially Retired
02-25-2014, 11:01 AM
Well, communication is everything, and from a linguistic and logical point of view (which is what I have my degree in) that is pretty much exactly what that sentence says.
Just so you know,
Jack
dpitbull,
Dissecting your post was not my intention, I merely wanted to get across the point that with so many members, a debate such as this is a healthy one. Even if it occupies 100 pages.
Everyone else:
Most people aren't going to realize the scope of what this discussion entails.
And this can be applied to more than just the Journal or work Jack has created.
Imagine a person who you trusted snuck into your yard while you were away, and backed their bitch up to your best stud, then peddled off those pups.
I can't even express how angry I would be without some colorful language, this is essentially the same thing....a thief is a thief is a thief PERIOD.
dpitbull
02-26-2014, 06:14 AM
dpitbull,
Dissecting your post was not my intention, I merely wanted to get across the point that with so many members, a debate such as this is a healthy one. Even if it occupies 100 pages.
Everyone else:
Most people aren't going to realize the scope of what this discussion entails.
And this can be applied to more than just the Journal or work Jack has created.
Imagine a person who you trusted snuck into your yard while you were away, and backed their bitch up to your best stud, then peddled off those pups.
I can't even express how angry I would be without some colorful language, this is essentially the same thing....a thief is a thief is a thief PERIOD.
I can respect that. I agree I can not stand a thief and will not do business with one. You guys have fun this will be my last response on this thread. If anyone has anything they would like to direct at me shoot me a pm and I'll gladly respond
I detest those who copy and steal another’s hard work. It is just wrong to do this and I would never support it.
In light of this, the post below offers several books on PDF which are copies and stolen from their authors –
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/showthread.php?2223-BOOKS-FOR-SALE
I doubt those medical book authors are allowing these books to be copied and sold in PDF form.
And I know that TL Williams has been trying to stop the theft of his Courage book, yet here it is stolen and offered as a PDF.
I hope that thread will be removed in light of the fact that these books are unauthorized counterfeits.
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About the SDJ new format, I can certainly understand why he needs to protect his work. I am glad he puts in the work to produce this magazine and he has the right to publish it in any format he wants to use.
SteelyDan
02-26-2014, 09:11 AM
I bought a copy of Wayne D Brown's book from the SDJ.I wonder if he had bought the rights from somebody to do so or if because the book was published before the copy right act of 1978 its ok?
I'd like to hear about this.
I also think it's kinda funny that folks are complaining about doing something illegal :0 lol pot calling the kettle black.
CRISIS
02-26-2014, 09:14 AM
he's also advertising bobby hall's book for sale....
Officially Retired
02-26-2014, 10:09 AM
I detest those who copy and steal another’s hard work. It is just wrong to do this and I would never support it.
In light of this, the post below offers several books on PDF which are copies and stolen from their authors –
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/showthread.php?2223-BOOKS-FOR-SALE
I doubt those medical book authors are allowing these books to be copied and sold in PDF form.
And I know that TL Williams has been trying to stop the theft of his Courage book, yet here it is stolen and offered as a PDF.
I hope that thread will be removed in light of the fact that these books are unauthorized counterfeits.
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About the SDJ new format, I can certainly understand why he needs to protect his work. I am glad he puts in the work to produce this magazine and he has the right to publish it in any format he wants to use.
That post has been removed now ...
Jack
Officially Retired
02-26-2014, 10:10 AM
I bought a copy of Wayne D Brown's book from the SDJ.I wonder if he had bought the rights from somebody to do so or if because the book was published before the copy right act of 1978 its ok?
I'd like to hear about this.
I also think it's kinda funny that folks are complaining about doing something illegal :0 lol pot calling the kettle black.
he's also advertising bobby hall's book for sale.....
I would like to hear SDJ's side of the story here ... is he offering legit books up for sale (buy low/sell high) ... or is he too a GD pirate?
Jack
SteelyDan
02-26-2014, 11:07 AM
I own an original of Wayne D Browns book. I bought a copy so that I wouldn't have to loan out or have people dirty my original. Cost a lot.
Officially Retired
02-26-2014, 11:36 AM
The plot thickens ... just got some private information on the Bobby Hall / Wayne Brown books ... from SDJ himself ... that he doesn't want to post here :shocked: :embarrassed: :confused:
CrazyRed
02-27-2014, 07:46 AM
The plot thickens ... just got some private information on the Bobby Hall / Wayne Brown books ... from SDJ himself ... that he doesn't want to post here :shocked: :embarrassed: :confused:
Is it good information or is it bad information?:shocked::shocked::shocked:
Officially Retired
02-27-2014, 08:31 AM
Looks like it's bad ...
CrazyRed
02-27-2014, 10:05 AM
Looks like it's bad ...
Awwww man so he a damn pirate too :shocked::shocked: but even with that said what I was stating was not in defense of him. Rather it was defending the thought process of protecting his business. Now if he's doing what he is trying not to do, he is just like other business owners. Some are good some are bad, some believe in the "Do as I say, not as I do" game plan. Still doesn't change the fact that he is just trying to protect his business, but he should stop being crooked as well.
BONEDADDY
02-27-2014, 06:03 PM
Awwww man so he a damn pirate too :shocked::shocked: but even with that said what I was stating was not in defense of him. Rather it was defending the thought process of protecting his business. Now if he's doing what he is trying not to do, he is just like other business owners. Some are good some are bad, some believe in the "Do as I say, not as I do" game plan. Still doesn't change the fact that he is just trying to protect his business, but he should stop being crooked as well.
Uh-oh.
in trying to protect his business he is changing what he originaly offered as a product also know as the bait and switch. I feel he should continue to offer the product that the subscribers paid for until there susscription runs out and simply not offer it in that format in the future.
in trying to protect his business he is changing what he originaly offered as a product also know as the bait and switch. I feel he should continue to offer the product that the subscribers paid for until there susscription runs out and simply not offer it in that format in the future.
Agree