Coyote

[bently]

well just now about 15 min ago.....i head barking and howling, so i go out back with my cane corso and .40 while i turn on the lights i see a group of coyotes mabey 3-4 neer the puppy pens. my corso chases some off while i fire some rounds at the others.

i am really fucking getting tired of these damn yotes. i have lost 2 young dogs to them over the past 3 years and my older dogs have killed around 5-6 of them. How the hell do i keep these things away.? am thinking about getting some adult shepards and putting them on a cable run that goes all the way around the yard? any recommendations?

[skipper]

Kavkazskaja ovtjarka even keeps bears away. Make sure he grows up with the dogs though.

[gabbagabbahey]

They sound interesting,Skipper & very usefull !!

[Nut]

Kavkazskaja ovtjarka even keeps bears away. Make sure he grows up with the dogs though.

http://cdn08.dayviews.com/102/_u3/_u1/_u7/_u3/_u0/_u9/u3173099/fs_512271746_23774_1357660183/Kavkazskaja_ovtjarka_galet_fina_hundar.jpg

wow.. lol

[Officially Retired]

Would not want something that big around my dogs on chains.

I mean, look at them, they're going after each other, which means they're dog-aggressive, and they're HUGE.

Ch Mr. Serious (a 38 ) got killed by two loose Rhodesian ridgebacks who ganged up on him and killed him while he was on the chain.

Jack

[Infidel77]

I love to hunt coyotes. Coyotes are scavengers and are always looking for an easy meal. What I would do, is try to call them in with either a distress call of some type (rabbit, bird, even a hurt pup distress) using an electronic caller. There are even a few apps you can download to your phone you could try. Give it a few nights and set up in a spot where you see them regularly. The .40 would work in close range, but I prefer a 12ga with extra full choke (I use a choke called Dead Coyote and a 3" no. 4 buckshot). This will extend your range out to 50yrds. If you happen to kill a few, coyotes that live through it are smart enough to learn where danger is and avoid those areas.

Good Luck

[AmberLamps]

Imagine if that thing got hungry, it would decimate your whole yard.

[skipper]

These dogs aren't suppose to be brought up as regular dogs. They are bred for one reason, to protect the heard. As pups they are left with their heard and they grow up with their instinct to protect. Now you can make that heard your yard of dogs or your cattle or whatever. I have a family member who breeds ovtjarkas, it's amazing to see to what extent they will protect their heard. If you have a problem with wolves coyotes or bears for that matter i think you should have your dogs in kennels to begin with. One of these motherfuckers will keep those animals away or he will die trying. I live amongst wolves bears and bobcats, seen it first hand.

[skipper]

I mean, look at them, they're going after each other, which means they're dog-aggressive, and they're HUGE.

Thats like saying pitbulls are viscous killers. I have enough experience with the breed to say they are not a dog for anyone, they should not be kept as pets. If brought up right they are amazing. No disrespect intended.

I think the problem would be that u cant trust a gamedog with any other dogs LOL

[Officially Retired]

Thats like saying pitbulls are viscous killers.


Pit bulls are potentially vicious killers ... wouldn't guard pit bulls with bigger pit bulls either :idea:




I have enough experience with the breed to say they are not a dog for anyone, they should not be kept as pets. If brought up right they are amazing. No disrespect intended.


This has nothing to do with the subject.

The subject is GUARDING your pups, not replacing one potential killer with another.

Any animal that is dog-agressive, HUGE, and even mildly game is a threat to the lives of the smaller pit bulls on the chain.

Has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with basic horse sense.
I tried to explain this to Griddog, when he proposed the "great idea" of getting two huge Rhodesian ridgebacks (lion killers) to guard his little dogs, and I told him it was a bad idea.
He didn't listen, the inevitable "squabble" happened while he was gone ... and his best friend & greatest dog got killed, and he has never been the same (or heard from) since.




I think the problem would be that u cant trust a gamedog with any other dogs LOL

It doesn't really matter who starts it; what matters is IF the (supposed) guard will engage, IF it can cause damage, and IF it's game "enough" to kill a pit bull with its weight advantage.

For this reason, I think a simple German shepherd would be better (a female).
They're not monstrously huge.
They're not game enough to kill a small bulldog.
But they WILL run off coyotes if trained to ... without jeopardizing your yard.

Jack


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[skipper]

We as pitbull owners should know what its like to get your dogs judged by people who have no idea what they are talking about, therefore my statement. English is not my native tongue, so forgive me if sometimes my points aren't very clear.
If you live in an area with dangerous carnivorous that are a threat to your dogs, first priority should be to keep the dogs protected in kennels. Period! Thats basic horse sense to me. Guess further discussion on the topic is unnecessary since if kept in kennels they aren't threatened anymore. But if bently would need a breed of dogs to protect him, his family or his animals from dangerous animals there aren't a better breed for the job.

[Officially Retired]

We as pitbull owners should know what its like to get your dogs judged by people who have no idea what they are talking about, therefore my statement. English is not my native tongue, so forgive me if sometimes my points aren't very clear.

I am not judging the dog, I am judging its USE.

Regardless of the language you speak, you have to recognize the difference.
I love pit bulls too, but they ARE killers (hell they used to be CALLED "kill dogs"), and I would not use them to guard other dogs. Especially other aggressive dogs. That would be insane.

Pit bulls are great as catch dogs, kill dogs, fighting dogs, etc. ... but (since I *do* understand THEIR USE) I sure as hell wouldn't choose to use them to guard other aggressive animals. Again, that would be daft.

And I am making the same point with these giant dogs of yours :idea:
I am 100% sure they ARE great at running off animals (hell, I would run my ass off if I saw one, LOLOL) ... but they sure aren't great for "guarding" smaller, aggressive dogs IMO.





If you live in an area with dangerous carnivorous that are a threat to your dogs, first priority should be to keep the dogs protected in kennels. Period! Thats basic horse sense to me. Guess further discussion on the topic is unnecessary since if kept in kennels they aren't threatened anymore.

Yes, if I lived in an area where there were grizzlies, mountain lions, etc., I absolutely would have my dogs in kennels ... with heavy wire ... and smaller chicken wire so the dogs can't put their noses through and get ravaged.

Jack

[skipper]

Just to be clear i never said you should use pitbulls as guard dogs. Imo theres only one use for pitbulls, two if you count that they make lovely pets. I get your point jack, i wouldn't use ovtjarkas either unless my dogs were fenced. But if my dogs are fenced they are a great way of keeping wild animals away.
Running only makes it worse LOL Stay your ground, make yourself big and bluff like a mofo LOL

[Officially Retired]

Just to be clear i never said you should use pitbulls as guard dogs. Imo theres only one use for pitbulls, two if you count that they make lovely pets.

You did say to use these ... which is why I was trying to say you're just putting one threat to your dogs to run off another.




I get your point jack, i wouldn't use ovtjarkas either unless my dogs were fenced. But if my dogs are fenced they are a great way of keeping wild animals away.


You originally just said, "Make sure he grows up with the dogs though," and that's not good enough IMO.

With this clarification, of guarding dogs already protected behind proper double-fencing, we now agree :)





Running only makes it worse LOL Stay your ground, make yourself big and bluff like a mofo LOL

LOL, and bring toilet paper :rotflmao:

[EWO]

I went to an all-breed working weekend some years back down in Georgia. There were two 'Varks, as they are affectionately called, there. They were not friendly or overly aggressive to anything around. They pretty much laid around and watched the activities that were in the area. They were not as big as the pictured ones above, big, but not monstrous like the above pictured dogs.

They put them in a pasture with an Australian Shepherd that was herding sheep in and out of "mock corrals". The 'Varks again just watched. For a display they brought two Filas to the outside of the corral and approached them as strangers. They were getting nasty toward the two trespassers and both of those 'Varks fired up and went to the fence with a lot of ill intent. I am thinking that either the trespasser or the Filas (coyotes/feral, packed up mongrels) would have played hell if they crossed that fence.

The owner of the 'Varks told us they were not dog aggressive to one another, nor to the sheep/goats on their property. What they were aggressive to was things (people/animals) that did not belong in that pasture. They are very territorial and very "one-family" type dogs.

Now I would not think the two I saw are completely indicative of the entire breed or that all of them are like those two. If I did think that way I would say the two dogs in the picture were not raised together and viewed each other as the threat but that would be nothing more than an assumption.

Hard to say. I owned Filas for a number of years and those one-owner/territorial/defensively drive dogs are far more of an liability that an asset. EWO

[gabbagabbahey]

Amazing seeing the size of them in that picture. Reminds me of the Disney movie with a giant dog in it.
Not for me,but I can now understand a wee bit on their purpose.
Skipper,if the wildlife in your country is as you said then I may well tell my friend to borrow me one as a minder,when I visit !!

[skipper]

Skipper,if the wildlife in your country is as you said then I may well tell my friend to borrow me one as a minder,when I visit !!

Haha. I live in the middle of a wolf territory, but to this day i have only seen one with my own eyes. I was really close to a bear encounter a couple of years back, fresh kill and i could smell him. But never seen one. Bobcats never seen. They are around here and u see tracks of them pretty often. But to actually see one is rare. Elks and deers is what i see mostly. Honestly though i prefer to meet a bear than a fucking wild boar. Nasty nasty animals.

[waccamaw]

Just get a donkey or llama

[bently]

Just get a donkey or llama
are you serious? a donkey, i would think that the coyotes would just try to gang up on a donkey and have them for a meal?

[SteelyDan]

A jack ass can be mean as the day is long.

[CRISIS]

Mastiffs make good guards I hear?

[tasoschatz]

They do and when crossed with pits into bandog fashion they can produce remarcable guards. Lucero lines are famous here in Greece, but I am not sure if they are better suited for guarding people or heard.
What we use here with great success against wolves etc is the greek shepherd's dog. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/greeksheepdog.htm many other similar breeds although http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_dog

[CrazyRed]

What do you feed a Vark??? Surely folks who feel as though Kibble is the primary way to feed a dog would be in a whole. I mean I feed my gals and boys a raw diet but a Vark would likely need a half a doe or if you close to a butcher a goat. I've been around many dogs for many years and helped a friend with some personal training and Schutzhund work but by Gosh those dogs look like Libears, half lion half bear. LOL I think if there was ever a domestic animal that could make me shit my pants. I just found it

[bently]

thanks everyone for their recommendations. i have decided to get 2 female shepards and hopefully they do their job

[waccamaw]

People with sheep ,or goats even gamefowl use the donkey or llama against coyotes .i also looked up the Kavkazskaja dogs watched a video ,those dogs are to slow and clumsy .the pic above makes them look bigger than what they are ,but they are big ,kinda like a saint bernard

[No Quarter Kennel]

A donkey is exactly what I was going to suggest. Some bad little dudes when it comes to coyotes. A pair are just about unbeatable verses coyotes. They'll run completely off your property.

[Nut]

Never heard it before, great to see. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8oO-GypOLA
They would probably not like your dogs either though

[purenxs]

A jack ass can be mean as the day is long.

Them MF's are strong as hell and will kick the livin chit outta anything!!! You're right on that count!!!